Iraq posed little or no threat

#1
Baroness Maningham-Buller just put the boot into Blair by saying that Iraq posed little or no threat to the UK as they had no capability to attack us.
 
#6
Sorry I got it direct from the live feed so no linky thingy
 
#7
Baroness Maningham-Buller just put the boot into Blair by saying that Iraq posed little or no threat to the UK as they had no capability to attack us.
True, this was the regime that was such an awesome threat, they didn't manage to shoot down a single of our aircraft in a decade of us overflying them.
 
#8
Ah, but at the time he genuinely believed it was so. He'd put a great deal of effort into genuinely believing it, would have been a shame for it to all go to waste.
 
#10
Ah, but at the time he genuinely believed it was so. He'd put a great deal of effort into genuinely believing it, would have been a shame for it to all go to waste.
The real shame is that the whole Iraq sideshow diverted our attention and resources from Afghanistan, where the resultant "reshow" is now that much harder and more costly in lives.
 
#11
Seems there is a fair bit of willy waving going on in the Security Services. The good lady poo poohed MI6s intelligence, saying it was incomplete.
 
#12
The real shame is that the whole Iraq sideshow diverted our attention and resources from Afghanistan, where the resultant "reshow" is now that much harder and more costly in lives.
But that nasty Sadaam made Gwubyas daddy look stupid so he was a threat to Gwubyas family pride.!
 
#13
I note the following extract from the linked BBC article:
The ex-MI5 chief said she shared her concerns that the Iraq invasion would increase the UK's exposure to terrorism with the then home secretary David Blunkett but did not "recall" discussing the matter with prime minister Tony Blair.
Am I alone in finding Baroness Manningham-Buller's inability to recall discussing this matter with Blair strange if not downright unlikely, considering what happened during her tenure as MI5 supremo? Even being charitable, it would appear that her people dropped the ball.

It strikes me that there is a good degree of self-editorialising with regards to her role. A lot of fancy verbal footwork to ensure that she lands on the right side of history.
 
#14
The real shame is that the whole Iraq sideshow diverted our attention and resources from Afghanistan, where the resultant "reshow" is now that much harder and more costly in lives.
Which is why that grinning pig should be jailed.
Bliar by name........
Skunk!
 
#15
She really put the boot in to MI6 the secret intelligence service that is clearly headed up/overseen by a bunch of politicised, sycophantic, arrse lickers.
Did a great job on WMD boys, hope the promotions, patronage and heady scent of power was worth the sacrifice in Iraq, quagmire in Afghanistan and long term damage to our nation around the world.

Pity about the objectivity your service used to be known for.
 
#16
Seems there is a fair bit of willy waving going on in the Security Services. The good lady poo poohed MI6s intelligence, saying it was incomplete.
Did anyone British ever risk actually saying it was complete at the time? It was over in DC it was a "slam dunk".

She talked about "fragmentary intelligence" and that it was "inadequately challenged" by the "fallible" JIC, i.e. Scarlett rolled. Plainly this is true, remote possibilities with all the caveats stripped off were being heaved about as casus belli. There's even traces of reasons why it was a very bad idea to topple Saddam being re-fitted as the reverse and justifiable fears about Pakistan being transfered to a more manageable Iraqi setting.

It matters little, team Bush and Mr Tony funked it when it came to tackling the root causes of 9-11 in Riyadh and Pindi. I'm very surprised she had no idea Iraq would be a likely target, perhaps as a professional focused on domestic terrorist threats the fact that it would obviously worsen them put her in blinkers. The lack of foresight with respect to the regional power balance was astonishing but I was rather surprised Baghdad wasn't hit sooner. There'd been considerable agitation for regime change on The Hill in the years preceding by folks around Bush. Even though Iraq wasn't a policy priority 9-11 provided an obvious political window, Iraq was at it's weakest and about to shake off the sanctions regime, the temptation must have been enormous. DC hasn't been noted for agility in a crisis in the past decades, policy tend to just run in deep ruts just like this one. That DC's dodgy alliances weren't questioned and nettles finally grasped is something we are still paying for.
 
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#17
But that nasty Sadaam made Gwubyas daddy look stupid so he was a threat to Gwubyas family pride.!
I think u got to the bottom of it there. Bush dienasty (sic) pride and the truely special relationships.... in middle east. Oh, and oil of course.

Anyone got a current death toll (forces on both sides + civilians)?
 
#18
Seems there is a fair bit of willy waving going on in the Security Services. The good lady poo poohed MI6s intelligence, saying it was incomplete.
5 trashing 6? Surely not? she was internal, so apparently knew nothing, even the Yanks wouldn't share with her.....oh no, sorry, she was another who knew better than everyone, shame she never spoke up at the time then eh? Credibility 00%. And since when has int been anything but incomplete?
 
#19
5 trashing 6? Surely not? she was internal, so apparently knew nothing, even the Yanks wouldn't share with her.....oh no, sorry, she was another who knew better than everyone, shame she never spoke up at the time then eh? Credibility 00%. And since when has int been anything but incomplete?
And who in the Government would have listened to her?
By the way, did anyone ever apologise to Greg Dyke or the BBC?
I seem to remember them getting a bit of a hard time for daring to tell the truth.
Barstewards. How dare they?
 
#20
If you can point to anything that lists her concerns at the time let's hear it, I saw a lot of discussion papers in 2003 and 5 had nothing to say but the fullest support - funny that, more selective memory
 

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