Iraq minutes to be released

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Now we shall see what there is to see.

The Government has been ordered to release the minutes of 2003 Cabinet meetings when the invasion of Iraq was discussed. Skip related content

Order to release Iraq Cabinet minutes
The Information Tribunal upheld a decision by the Information Commissioner that details of the sessions on March 13 and 17 should be disclosed.

The meetings considered the highly controversial issue of whether the invasion was allowed under international law.

In its ruling, the Tribunal said: "We have decided that the public interest in maintaining the confidentiality of the formal minutes of two Cabinet meetings at which ministers decided to commit forces to military action in Iraq did not... outweigh the public interest in disclosure."

The arguments in favour of keeping the formulation of Government policy secret and preserving the principle of collective responsibility were defeated in this "exceptional case", the ruling said.

The Tribunal said its decision had been "difficult" and carried by a majority rather than unanimously.
 
#2
Industreal sized shredder delivered to no10
 
#4
Is Tony in a country with whom we have a good extradition treaty in place?
 
#5
BBC report that the Cabinet Office have 28 days to decide whether to appeal and Downing Street are reported to be "considering our response".

I'll bet they are.
 
#6
They are just hoping there will be a monumental news story in the next 28 days so they can sneak out a reply which nobody will see on page 64 next to the stana stair lift adverts.
 
#7
Since there was virtually no discussion in Cabinet on the decision to invade Iraq, I strongly suspect that the minutes will be a) very short b) very dull and c) tell us nothing that we don't already know. Aren't Cabinet minutes just a record of decisions anyway?
 
#8
"Since there was virtually no discussion in Cabinet on the decision to invade Iraq, I strongly suspect that the minutes will be a) very short b) very dull and c) tell us nothing that we don't already know. Aren't Cabinet minutes just a record of decisions anyway?"

Thats precisely what Claire Short said on Radio 4 tonight, that as tony was running a "sofa cabinet" minutes were not taken of the discussions that sent the country to war.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#9
Minutes of Meeting to Discuss the War:

TB: Well, erm, really, probably, erm, maybe, not a great idea, but we haven't the choice really, erm do we?

Lawyers: We reckon it's just fine - perfectly legal, yessiree.

GB: Well, cut a few corners, do it on the cheap . . .

TB: As much as I don't want to go to war, defence of freedom, righteousness, it's the right thing to do, God is on my side, and he's saying it's legal.

Lawyers: Well, there you go then, if God says it's OK . . . he IS the highest court in the universe . . .

GB: Maybe he can help with some of the equipment too - firey wrath, thunderbolds - how expensive can THAT be?

TB: Indeed - I'll get on the prayer phone right now, see if I can rustle up some divine intervention. But we ARE saying it's legal right?

GB: Legal, but expensive.

Lawyers: If God says it's ok, who's the U.N. to argue?
 

Sixty

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#10
Frankly, if the Government doesn't veto it and refuse publication I'll stick a photograph of my arse in the gallery (steady ladies :D )

They know they're unlikely to win the next election. I suspect their thinking will be 'Why not refuse, take the hit and brass neck it out?'
 
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LISpace said:
Since there was virtually no discussion in Cabinet on the decision to invade Iraq, I strongly suspect that the minutes will be a) very short b) very dull and c) tell us nothing that we don't already know. Aren't Cabinet minutes just a record of decisions anyway?
I think that's probably right. But I'm sure the government will appeal. I'm also sure that eventually they will have to release them, so might as well do it now.
 
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ICATQ said:
They are just hoping there will be a monumental news story in the next 28 days so they can sneak out a reply which nobody will see on page 64 next to the stana stair lift adverts.
It looks like this might be the case. Remember how when we Invaded Afghan all those ships happened to be close by?

Clicky clicky

THE Royal Navy is preparing to set sail for one of its largest deployments of recent years with the biggest RN Task Force to deploy to the Far East in more than a decade - headed by Plymouth's HMS Bulwark.
If anything does happen, I think these guys will be involved!

T C
 
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Biped said:
Minutes of Meeting to Discuss the War:

TB: Well, erm, really, probably, erm, maybe, not a great idea, but we haven't the choice really, erm do we?

Lawyers: We reckon it's just fine - perfectly legal, yessiree.

GB: Well, cut a few corners, do it on the cheap . . .

TB: As much as I don't want to go to war, defence of freedom, righteousness, it's the right thing to do, God is on my side, and he's saying it's legal.

Lawyers: Well, there you go then, if God says it's OK . . . he IS the highest court in the universe . . .

GB: Maybe he can help with some of the equipment too - firey wrath, thunderbolds - how expensive can THAT be?

TB: Indeed - I'll get on the prayer phone right now, see if I can rustle up some divine intervention. But we ARE saying it's legal right?

GB: Legal, but expensive.

Lawyers: If God says it's ok, who's the U.N. to argue?
Now I've found the first thread.
Change the word God for Bush and it's exactly what was said.
 
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LISpace said:
Since there was virtually no discussion in Cabinet on the decision to invade Iraq, I strongly suspect that the minutes will be a) very short b) very dull and c) tell us nothing that we don't already know. Aren't Cabinet minutes just a record of decisions anyway?
Wouldn't disagree LISpace re the amount of discussion, but the Cabinet Secretary is duty bound to record his handwritten notes with the registry. So although we may well not see much in the way of headed paper, we can (at least at this stage) rest assured that a record does exist of meetings that will have taken place.

My own opinion is that this lack of credible audit (the handwritten record excepted), may well show once and for all, the cavalier attitude taken by the Blair government, in the days and weeks prior to D-Day. I suspect that many in the media will pick up on this angle, and therefore start to "intelligently" fill in the gaps.

Strangely, not only will this expose the foolish Blair (albeiit six years late), but one can only wonder of how many calls / meetings between Blair and his cronies have had the most cursory (if any) record kept? This could be as embarassing a moment as the Labour Government of Blair ever witnessed in office - and that is saying something.
 
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ALVIN

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I am affraid that all this will prove to be a anti climax, some people are protected by a inner circle, which is above the law. ----- Just wait and see !
 
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ABrighter2006 said:
LISpace said:
Since there was virtually no discussion in Cabinet on the decision to invade Iraq, I strongly suspect that the minutes will be a) very short b) very dull and c) tell us nothing that we don't already know. Aren't Cabinet minutes just a record of decisions anyway?
Wouldn't disagree LISpace re the amount of discussion, but the Cabinet Secretary is duty bound to record his handwritten notes with the registry. So although we may well not see much in the way of headed paper, we can (at least at this stage) rest assured that a record does exist of meetings that will have taken place.

My own opinion is that this lack of credible audit (the handwritten record excepted), may well show once and for all, the cavalier attitude taken by the Blair government, in the days and weeks prior to D-Day. I suspect that many in the media will pick up on this angle, and therefore start to "intelligently" fill in the gaps.

Strangely, not only will this expose the foolish Blair (albeiit six years late), but one can only wonder of how many calls / meetings between Blair and his cronies have had the most cursory (if any) record kept? This could be as embarassing a moment as the Labour Government of Blair ever witnessed in office - and that is saying something.
But this lack of discussion/audit has already been exposed by the Butler Report. I really don't think that the minutes, if released, will offer anything new.
 
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ABrighter2006 said:
Wouldn't disagree LISpace re the amount of discussion, but the Cabinet Secretary is duty bound to record his handwritten notes with the registry. So although we may well not see much in the way of headed paper, we can (at least at this stage) rest assured that a record does exist of meetings that will have taken place.
If he got invited. If it was simply Blair cronies all the Cabinet Secretary's notes will be able to tell us that Minister X and Special Advisor Y came round and had a meeting with Blair for a few hours about the Iraq situation and zero actual information.
 
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If there is nothing they can use that will apportion blame to anyone (not that we live in a blame culture obviously), and as we seem to expect they will be wishy washy at best, the will release without hesitation....or make fumbled excuses whilst staring at feet and pursue the legal route until everyone dies of boredom.
 

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