Iraq. Militants take back Mosul, Tikrit and march on Baghdad

#2
If we Do nothing and unpleasant things happen, all the left wing and moonhowlers will be screaming that We don't care as those being maimed and dying are not white.

If we Intervene, all the left wing and moonhowlers will be screaming that We are imperialists and / or just after the oil and we don't care as those being maimed and dying are not white.

Under the circumstances as we will be wrong either way I suggest we say bollix to them and lets save our lives and treasure.

By We I mean We the west
 
#3
One of the more vital characteristics of a nation state is that its citizens are prepared to fight and die on its behalf. And what we see here is that Iraqis who won't fight for Iraq. Because, let's face it, Iraq has never been a viable nation state as we understand it, it was a region of territory defined externally and held together by a dictator with the traditional strong man moustache. One who we used to back strongly as a tool to keep those uppity Persians in their place.

So as soon as we removed the strong man without putting another in place we lit the fuse for the whole place to fall apart. What we see now is the whole Sunni-Shia, Saudi-Iranian, Arab-Kurd and so on mess being worked out in public, not to mention the Persians, Turks and so on getting involved.

If we had any sense we'd accept that borders will change and try and get the best deal we can out of the mess - which might not be a good deal at all, but better than the alternatives. And certainly worse than if we;d just left Saddam in place.
 
#4
Endgame in Iraq for Ankara and Qom.

All we need now is for the beards of Mecca to to thrown in their hand and we're set fair for a major regional war.
 

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#5
Endgame in Iraq for Ankara and Qom.

All we need now is for the beards of Mecca to to thrown in their hand and we're set fair for a major regional war.
But how could this possibly be when Tony Blair's responsible for Middle East peace?
 

Wordsmith

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#6
It could be heading for civil war with Sunni v Shia. A bit like Syria.

If that's the case let them get on with it. Fighting each other leaves less time for trying to export terrorism.

Wordsmith
 
#7
No need to worry. UN Security Council is going to talk about it this afternoon and later on a God bothering type will call for peace.

That will make it all better
 
#9
Rumours have it that they have captured Helicopters and armour. Just hope they don't know what to do with it!
If some stories coming out that they're not all beardy lunatics, but disgruntled Iraqi Sunni serving/ex-military aggrieved at the majority Shia Government, then it's likely they do
 
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But how could this possibly be when Tony Blair's responsible for Middle East peace?
Does this mean Mr Blair will be travelling to Mosul to bring about peace.
Obviously unaccompanied we wouldn't want an armed western security detail inadvertently provoking the situation.

Edit In hind sight unaccompanied is a bad idea, perhaps Cherie should join him.
 

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#12
Jolly good job we sorted that Saddam wallah, what?
 
#15
Sod them. We should have left Saddam alone and not try and bring democracy to a land and people who had no idea of it. Let them fight amongst themselves like in syria. It keeps them occupied and we make a fortune from selling arms to both sides.
 
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I wonder if the septics can land those Osprey things on the roof of the embassy like they did back in the day?

 
#17
Let them fight amongst themselves,it's high time the Sunni v Shia fight came to a head,they have been fighting each other for nigh on two thousand years with little to show for.
The West should keep out of it and let the two main protagonists (Iran/Saudi Arabia) sort Iraq's problems out.

ps Getting rid of Dictators is bad for our health and well being.
 
#18
I think the Turks might start to flex some muscle here,with help from the US of course.If this crisis was just Sunni Vs Shiite it wouldn´t be too bad,but,this is Al-Qeada against Iraq with all the nasty trimmings,they cannot be allowed to take control,it would be much better to hit them now before they get a foothold and dig in?Funny that the Press are talking about `Kurdistan´that AFAIK doesn´t really exist or has it been recognized,40 million Kurds do need a homeland but I doubt they´ll want to share it with Al-Qaeda fanatics?
But this is what Bush and Blair were dreaming about when they went in for the second time,Armageddon,total chaos in the region with the Muslims slaughtering each other.Bravo,w+nkers!
 
#19
If some stories coming out that they're not all beardy lunatics, but disgruntled Iraqi Sunni serving/ex-military aggrieved at the majority Shia Government, then it's likely they do

this doesnt really surprise me. Malaki has pushed them out of politics pretty effectivey over the last couple of years and there's a lot of people who feel disenfranchised by some of the more creative ways of excluding candidates from certain communities.

someone made a comment earlier about Iraqis not being interested in fighting for Iraq, there may also be an element of large parts of the population thinking the government has been acting illegally and are unwilling to support it.
 
#20
I think the Turks might start to flex some muscle here,with help from the US of course.If this crisis was just Sunni Vs Shiite it wouldn´t be too bad,but,this is Al-Qeada against Iraq with all the nasty trimmings,they cannot be allowed to take control,it would be much better to hit them now before they get a foothold and dig in?Funny that the Press are talking about `Kurdistan´that AFAIK doesn´t really exist or has it been recognized,40 million Kurds do need a homeland but I doubt they´ll want to share it with Al-Qaeda fanatics?
But this is what Bush and Blair were dreaming about when they went in for the second time,Armageddon,total chaos in the region with the Muslims slaughtering each other.Bravo,w+nkers!
Although Kurdistan isn't a soveriegn state, is still has autominous recognition by the Iraqi Government.

They've fought hard for years to be recognised as a self-Governing Kurdish entity, so I'd doubt they'd give it up easily to some disgruntled Iraqi's and foreign Jihadists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan
 

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