Iraq. Militants take back Mosul, Tikrit and march on Baghdad

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by 2/51, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. If we Do nothing and unpleasant things happen, all the left wing and moonhowlers will be screaming that We don't care as those being maimed and dying are not white.

    If we Intervene, all the left wing and moonhowlers will be screaming that We are imperialists and / or just after the oil and we don't care as those being maimed and dying are not white.

    Under the circumstances as we will be wrong either way I suggest we say bollix to them and lets save our lives and treasure.

    By We I mean We the west
     
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  2. One of the more vital characteristics of a nation state is that its citizens are prepared to fight and die on its behalf. And what we see here is that Iraqis who won't fight for Iraq. Because, let's face it, Iraq has never been a viable nation state as we understand it, it was a region of territory defined externally and held together by a dictator with the traditional strong man moustache. One who we used to back strongly as a tool to keep those uppity Persians in their place.

    So as soon as we removed the strong man without putting another in place we lit the fuse for the whole place to fall apart. What we see now is the whole Sunni-Shia, Saudi-Iranian, Arab-Kurd and so on mess being worked out in public, not to mention the Persians, Turks and so on getting involved.

    If we had any sense we'd accept that borders will change and try and get the best deal we can out of the mess - which might not be a good deal at all, but better than the alternatives. And certainly worse than if we;d just left Saddam in place.
     
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  3. SOI

    SOI LE

    Endgame in Iraq for Ankara and Qom.

    All we need now is for the beards of Mecca to to thrown in their hand and we're set fair for a major regional war.
     
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  4. FORMER_FYRDMAN

    FORMER_FYRDMAN LE Book Reviewer

    But how could this possibly be when Tony Blair's responsible for Middle East peace?
     
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  5. Wordsmith

    Wordsmith LE Book Reviewer

    It could be heading for civil war with Sunni v Shia. A bit like Syria.

    If that's the case let them get on with it. Fighting each other leaves less time for trying to export terrorism.

    Wordsmith
     
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  6. No need to worry. UN Security Council is going to talk about it this afternoon and later on a God bothering type will call for peace.

    That will make it all better
     
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  7. Right, how many of our Luton or Slough branch of extremists can we issue free one way tickets to?
    Fight the good fight you *********.
     
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  8. If some stories coming out that they're not all beardy lunatics, but disgruntled Iraqi Sunni serving/ex-military aggrieved at the majority Shia Government, then it's likely they do
     
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  9. Wordsmith

    Wordsmith LE Book Reviewer

    Don't knock it. Think of all those extra, highly paid speaking engagements for him - there'll be lots of need to explain the roots of the conflict.

    Wordsmith :(
     
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  10. Does this mean Mr Blair will be travelling to Mosul to bring about peace.
    Obviously unaccompanied we wouldn't want an armed western security detail inadvertently provoking the situation.

    Edit In hind sight unaccompanied is a bad idea, perhaps Cherie should join him.
     
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  11. seaweed

    seaweed LE Book Reviewer

    Jolly good job we sorted that Saddam wallah, what?
     
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  12. SOI

    SOI LE

    The 'Arab Spring' seemed like such a good idea to the West…
     
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  13. fu2

    fu2 LE

    Sod them. We should have left Saddam alone and not try and bring democracy to a land and people who had no idea of it. Let them fight amongst themselves like in syria. It keeps them occupied and we make a fortune from selling arms to both sides.
     
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