Iraq is lost and Mr Blair is frozen in denial.

#1

The argument is over -Iraq is lost.

It is time to think of the women and children in that chaotic country.
There must be a way to establish an air corridor to evacuate the men women and children who are desperate to leave.

I really did think that Mr Blair had a deeply thought out cunning plan.
Damn it all -it is clear now that the fool does not know what to do next.
He never knew that this shit was going to hit the fan. Because he has never been to girl guides never mind served in the military.

I knew the outcome of this stupid invasion before it had begun. Yet like many others I hoped and prayed that I was wrong, wrong, wrong.
Now is the time for all Military commanders to ignore the foolish, ignorant plans from Tony Blairs team of idiots. Face facts he's got his head in the sand.

Of course the man wants to claim a victory. Yet this is far more serious than when Margaret Thatcher wanted to stick with the poll tax. She was removed swiftly and quietly- so whats wrong with the movers and shakers at the top now. Why the constant deafening silence?
This is thousands and thousands of innocent lives-men women and children suffering on all sides of the slaughter.

Britain has never been a nation to stand back and watch the slaughter. I can only hope that there will be a final intervention to help the innocent civilians escape this hell on earth.
In my oppinion there is no chance of a new plan or new change of direction there is only common sense which says save the innocent lead them to safety and get the fck out quick.

So come on Great Britain where is that damned leader who is going to get in the ring and get a hold on the reins of Britain and pull this situation out of this shite pit. There must be someone out there who can sought this mess by acting swiftly to save the lives of the innocent. So come on Britain needs you now.
:x
 
#3
EAGLE1 said:
It is time to think of the women and children in that chaotic country.
There must be a way to establish an air corridor to evacuate the men women and children who are desperate to leave.
Really? What would it take assetwise to transport house and feed a sizeable portion of Iraq's 26 MILLION population?
Where would you move them to? Which country/ies would accept an influx on that scale?
Who will pay the bill at the end of the day?
Define innocent?
Great idea in theory but fatally flawed I'm afraid.
 
#5
frenchperson said:
It was time to think of the women and children of Iraq before sanctions were imposed back in the 1990s. Your comment is years overdue
Are you really French?
 

Alsacien

MIA
Moderator
#6
EAGLE1 said:

The argument is over -Iraq is lost.

It is time to think of the women and children in that chaotic country.
There must be a way to establish an air corridor to evacuate the men women and children who are desperate to leave.

So come on Britain needs you now.
:x
Where do you want to fly them to?

You are a complete chopper methinks.....
 
#7
EAGLE 1 - We are not standing back and watching the slaughter in Iraq - if that is what you think our men and women are doing over there then you really are as naive as your post suggests.
 
#8
Great Britain and America have caused the instability and destruction in Iraq by removing the despot Saddam hussein.
I have heard Tony blairs arguments that the chaos has been caused by Iranian insurgents. Total and utter bollockks.

we have helped to cause massive trauma to the people of Iraq we must now do something to fix it. I am certain that Tony Blair just wants to cover his tracks until he departs for good. Do not rely on him to help put this mess straight as he has 'in effect'- already gone.

Military commanders must step up and take action to help the remaining people escape the carnage. It seems to me that Iraq is out of control and now totally unmanageable. Tony Blair does not care about the long term solution he just wants to get to the end of his time in office. So to rely on him to sought out this mess is a terrible mistake.

I think Saudi Arabia could help by opening it's borders to the displaced.
We have a good relationship with their people.
The civilians could be transported in their thousands. yes it is a logistical nightmare-yet we must not just keep observing the deteriorating situation -simply hoping that the killing will stop.

If we could only accept the failure we could move swiftly on and take action to save thousands of lives. If this is still called Naive by the masses then Great Britain has in my opinion really sunk to horrific new depths of inhuman behaviour. 8O

Come on Britain we can save thousands of Iraqi people who do not want to live like this, come on -just do it.
 
#9
Oh and before someone says you are just a foolish observer here is a sworn promise-Give me general Dannatt a jeep and a helicopter.
Get me to Iraq give me some of the British Army and I swear on my life I will save a few thousand lives. Go on test me I dare you
8)
 

Alsacien

MIA
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#10
EAGLE1 said:
Oh and before someone says you are just a foolish observer here is a sworn promise-Give me general Dannatt a jeep and a helicopter.
Get me to Iraq give me some of the British Army and I swear on my life I will save a few thousand lives. Go on test me I dare you
8)
Not fcuking likely ********!

If you are so keen why dont you go there on your own? Or with your like minded friends (if you have any)?

Look forward to seeing to getting your head chopped off on the Al Jez channel.
 
#11
EAGLE1 said:
Oh and before someone says you are just a foolish observer here is a sworn promise-Give me general Dannatt a jeep and a helicopter.
Get me to Iraq give me some of the British Army and I swear on my life I will save a few thousand lives. Go on test me I dare you
8)
you fucking mong. If that's how you feel, join the Army, who the fuck do you think would just give you "General Dannatt, a jeep and a helicopter"?

chopper
 
#12
EAGLE1 said:
Oh and before someone says you are just a foolish observer here is a sworn promise-Give me general Dannatt a jeep and a helicopter.
Get me to Iraq give me some of the British Army and I swear on my life I will save a few thousand lives. Go on test me I dare you
8)
YOU ARE JUST A FOOLISH OBSERVER.
Now shut the f*ck up, you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Chopper!

Cheers Easy!
 
#13
Eagle1, I'm sure you are a well meaning person, but I have to say that I agree with the vast majority of my serving comrades on here and I have to agree that you are very naive at best, a fcuking chopper at worst.
 
#14
Were the hell did you copy and paste this crap from eagle1.

Wake up and smell the coffee its not as easy as just flying in loads of aircraft and taking these people from there homes. They may hate what is happening to there country but i'm sure there are alot of iraqis that dont want to leave there home land, not matter what state it is in.

As others have said if you want to make a difference then put your name where your mouth is and sign up to one of the forces and dont just talk about it.
 
#16
Is it less 'mongish' to continue to observe the slaughter of many innocent people. we invaded Iraq 'FACT'. Iraq is in total chaos 'FACT'.

Women and children are living and dying in the chaos that Britain helped to create 'FACT'.

Is it really such a stupid idea to help the women and children escape the carnage. It has been said that we 'may' be leaving Iraq in the spring next year.
Is it more acceptable to ignore the slaughter until then. 'Turning a blind eye' if you will to the ongoing devastation.

We managed the logistics of getting seven thousand throops into Iraq. Surely we could reverse that process and get a few thousand civilians out to a safe area. To live.
You criticise my points-I laugh, I agree with some of what you say.

Yet still we could save some women and children from the living hell that has become Iraq. We have the skills to make this happen.

Would you disagree with my principle of getting these women and children out of Iraq -before we leave? would you disagree with my principal that we at least ought to give them a chance of life?
. :?
 
#18
Great idea in principle. However after having a few long conversations with an Iraqi lady I work with (from which I learnt so much about the country). If its found out that a member of your family is living abroad you will probably be kidnapped for financial gain. Ergo if you take one member of a family you must take the whole family. It seems that Arabic familys tend to be quite large and interelated and if you took one the rest would be at higher risk. I may be wrong. By removing half the population you probably would halve the problem. But would it solve anything? Possibly, but I would say that your more likely to cause an enourmous economic crisis on the world through the large influx of refugees to places not rich enough or willing to support them. We are near bursting point in Britain as it is, as for saudi arabia, they live in a rich country which could support these refugees but why would they..Iraq has been a pain in their arrse for quite a while why would they compromise their wealth and security to help them? Finally would they want to go and how would you pick who got to go? I believe its already possible for those who want to leave Iraq to do so, but most dont. Why?

Finally I dont disagree with your principle, just the method you suggest. I see the only way forward is to stop dicking around trying to install a government that wont work, clamp down tight on security and get all the services such as water and electricity running again properly. I believe only this could stop the insurgents from gaining total control. Whether this would work.... who knows.

Btw you dont want to be asking to get dropped of in the middle of iraq as someone on here might actually do it.
 
#19
EAGLE1 said:
Is it less 'mongish' to continue to observe the slaughter of many innocent people. we invaded Iraq 'FACT' . Iraq is in total chaos 'FACT'. thankyou Captain obvious

Women and children are living and dying in the chaos that Britain helped to create 'FACT'. we didn't create the chaos, that would also be down to what are called insurgents

Is it really such a stupid idea to help the women and children escape the carnage. who says they want to leave?It has been said that we 'may' be leaving Iraq in the spring next year. yeah, no shít.
Is it more acceptable to ignore the slaughter until then. 'Turning a blind eye' if you will to the ongoing devastation. because we're obviously ignoring it, aren't we. you chopper

We managed the logistics of getting seven thousand throops into Iraq. Surely we could reverse that process and get a few thousand civilians out to a safe area. To live. and where do you suggest we move them too? Especially considering it is the civilians planting the bombs and shooting other civilians?
You criticise my points-I laugh, I agree with some of what you say. cheers, next time be a bit more vague

Yet still we could save some women and children from the living hell that has become Iraq. We have the skills to make this happen. is this the royal we? Considering you seem to be some internet fucking general and won't get off your arrse.

Would you disagree with my principle of getting these women and children out of Iraq -before we leave? yeswould you disagree with my principal that we at least ought to give them a chance of life?we have, by being there and trying to reconstruct their fucking country, you chopper
. :?

You are a chopper of the highest degree.
 
#20
Eagle one.Please tell me what do you base all of your views on? The Iranian Backed militia are the ones who are doing all the killing in southern Iraq FACT.Wthe British army are saving lives everyday in Iraq FACT. If we pulled out of Iraq now there would be mass killings fact.The people of Iraq want to stay in there country FACT.If an airbridge was made to evacuate these women and chikdren that would be classed as ethnic cleansing FACT.You have not one clue of the real FACTS of what is happening in Iraq FACT.Its people like you with ''seeing through rose tinted glasses''attitude that makes our job as soldiers in Iraq all the more harder, because you stir up the general public with your so called ''FACTS'' and us poor blokes on the ground get no support from back home. Listen and learn .You are ignorant FACT.
 

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