Iranian President in the US

#1
I don't know what this guy is thinking but he's speaking at one of the Major Universities in New York. I hope he expects to get no better treatment than Bush would if he does a Q&A.

I think they should have let him visit ground zero, sans escort.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20942057/
 
#3
LJONESY said:
Thats a bit to nice ghost that guy just needs to go away.
Far from it. If there was any sense governing world affairs one would go up shake his hand and sit down and begin to talk.
And if it was left to the British that's what we would be doing.
But because of the idiot errors of Blair we are now stuck with having to cravenly follow whatever line the yanks wish to follow.
 
#4
The fact that the US allows a foriegn had of state, even one with such a vastly differing world view, speak openly at a university is what makes you better then them. It shows the US system to be open and honest, rather than corrupt and closed.

let him speak, he might even get asked some difficult questions. It'll be interesting no matter what.
 
#5
goodkurtz said:
LJONESY said:
Thats a bit to nice ghost that guy just needs to go away.
Far from it. If there was any sense governing world affairs one would go up shake his hand and sit down and begin to talk.
And if it was left to the British that's what we would be doing.
But because of the idiot errors of Blair we are now stuck with having to cravenly follow whatever line the yanks wish to follow.
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I think shaking his hand would indeed make him look bad in the eyes of the middle east, however, seeing as how this guy wants to kill Americans it wouldn't be well received here.

Talking to Iran on a level playing field legitimizes it as a global player and regional influence. I highly doubt that's a route we want to follow regardless of intentions. We have other allies that would not like that done.

He wants to talk at Columbia, so be it. I hope he can handle the type of miasma that's coming his way.


I can see we're looking at this two different ways. The US doesn't do empire well or at all really. They don't want to colonize Iran, just take it out of the equation.
 
#6
ghost_us said:
Talking to Iran on a level playing field legitimizes it as a global player and regional influence.
Whether a state is 'legitimised' by the international community or not has no bearing on whether it has regional or for that matter global influence. We are seeing examples daily of where Iran's influence (and de facto power) is causing problems for the Coalition in Iraq.
 
#7
DozyBint said:
ghost_us said:
Talking to Iran on a level playing field legitimizes it as a global player and regional influence.
Whether a state is 'legitimised' by the international community or not has no bearing on whether it has regional or for that matter global influence. We are seeing examples daily of where Iran's influence (and de facto power) is causing problems for the Coalition in Iraq.
Iran is Iraq's neighbor which is more than we are. Irans influence in Iraq has increased due to our illegal invasion and occupation.
Were we to leave things there would right itself and Iranian influence would reduce again.
And this is completly understood by the higher ups. They just want to pretend otherwise.
 
#9
ghost_us said:
Talking to Iran on a level playing field legitimizes it as a global player and regional influence.
To everyone who thinks like that- grow up and look facts in the face. There is no getting away from the fact that Iran is global player AND a major regional influence- if it wasn't then the US wouldn't be having such a hissy fit over what it does and why they don't like you.

I know looking facts in the face is a radical new approach that the US administration has yet to try with pretty much anything to do with foreign policy, but you're getting absolutely nowhere and doing nothing but making yourselves look sillier with this bullsh1t posturing. Or do you really think it's quicker, cheaper and easier (both politically and materially) to go to war with someone else again rather than talk to them? It's a sad state of affairs if you do.
 
#10
bobath said:
The fact that the US allows a foriegn had of state, even one with such a vastly differing world view, speak openly at a university is what makes you better then them. It shows the US system to be open and honest, rather than corrupt and closed.

let him speak, he might even get asked some difficult questions. It'll be interesting no matter what.
Makes you wonder whether he appreciates the irony of the situation, or whether in fact he holds the USA in contempt for it...
 
#13
GK

"Iran is Iraq's neighbor which is more than we are. Irans influence in Iraq has increased due to our illegal invasion and occupation.
Were we to leave things there would right itself and Iranian influence would reduce again.
And this is completly understood by the higher ups. They just want to pretend otherwise.[/quote]"

Had to laugh when I read that comment. So, you think the Iranians will pull out of Southern Iraq just as soon as US troops go home?

HHMMMMMMM. One brick short of a load, I reckon.
 
#14
Whiskybreath said:
bobath said:
The fact that the US allows a foriegn had of state, even one with such a vastly differing world view, speak openly at a university is what makes you better then them. It shows the US system to be open and honest, rather than corrupt and closed.

let him speak, he might even get asked some difficult questions. It'll be interesting no matter what.
Makes you wonder whether he appreciates the irony of the situation, or whether in fact he holds the USA in contempt for it...
Oh no. Dinnerjacket isn't as stupid as to hold the USA in contempt. He is after all a Persian and as such is a citizen of a very old country indeed.
But the USA government holds him and his nation in contempt which is a huge mistake that one can only sadly expect from some uppity youngster of a nation that's grown too big for its boots and who is due to be taken down a peg or two in the not to distant future.

Adolescents seem to have no respect these days do they?
 
#15
nigegilb said:
GK

"Iran is Iraq's neighbor which is more than we are. Irans influence in Iraq has increased due to our illegal invasion and occupation.
Were we to leave things there would right itself and Iranian influence would reduce again.
And this is completly understood by the higher ups. They just want to pretend otherwise.
"

Had to laugh when I read that comment. So, you think the Iranians will pull out of Southern Iraq just as soon as US troops go home?

HHMMMMMMM. One brick short of a load, I reckon.[/quote]

Oh really? And how would they stay if not wanted then? Explain.
 
#16
goodkurtz said:
Whiskybreath said:
bobath said:
The fact that the US allows a foriegn had of state, even one with such a vastly differing world view, speak openly at a university is what makes you better then them. It shows the US system to be open and honest, rather than corrupt and closed.

let him speak, he might even get asked some difficult questions. It'll be interesting no matter what.
Makes you wonder whether he appreciates the irony of the situation, or whether in fact he holds the USA in contempt for it...
Oh no. Dinnerjacket isn't as stupid as to hold the USA in contempt. He is after all a Persian and as such is a citizen of a very old country indeed.
But the USA government holds him and his nation in contempt which is a huge mistake that one can only sadly expect from some uppity youngster of a nation that's grown too big for its boots and who is due to be taken down a peg or two in the not to distant future.

Adolescents seem to have no respect these days do they?
Could you expand on that?
Do you know something?
 
#17
goodkurtz said:
Oh really? And how would they stay if not wanted then? Explain.
Um, how about because the civil structure of the country is fractured to such a degree that there are no effective political, judicial or military foundations and any state with border aspirations can stroll right in and make themselves at home?!

Of course some Iraqis would harass them in the same way that some Iraqis have been harassing the Coalition, but the Shi'a population would be quite happy to have their brothers in control and the minority Sunni population of Iraq would not be able to stop an Iranian military machine which is less constrained by global public opinion than the Coalition is reference ways and means of establishing control.

Don't forget that Iran hates the fact that Saudi Arabia controls both Mecca and Medina and if Iran controls the land-mass that is Iraq they then share a border with Saudi Arabia and the push could continue...
 
#18
DozyBint said:
goodkurtz said:
Oh really? And how would they stay if not wanted then? Explain.
Um, how about because the civil structure of the country is fractured to such a degree that there are no effective political, judicial or military foundations and any state with border aspirations can stroll right in and make themselves at home?!

Of course some Iraqis would harass them in the same way that some Iraqis have been harassing the Coalition, but the Shi'a population would be quite happy to have their brothers in control and the minority Sunni population of Iraq would not be able to stop an Iranian military machine which is less constrained by global public opinion than the Coalition is reference ways and means of establishing control.

Don't forget that Iran hates the fact that Saudi Arabia controls both Mecca and Medina and if Iran controls the land-mass that is Iraq they then share a border with Saudi Arabia and the push could continue...
Great stuff, lets pull out and let them all have a scrap.

Then nuke em all.
 
#20
goodkurtz said:
nigegilb said:
GK

"Iran is Iraq's neighbor which is more than we are. Irans influence in Iraq has increased due to our illegal invasion and occupation.
Were we to leave things there would right itself and Iranian influence would reduce again.
And this is completly understood by the higher ups. They just want to pretend otherwise.
"

Had to laugh when I read that comment. So, you think the Iranians will pull out of Southern Iraq just as soon as US troops go home?

HHMMMMMMM. One brick short of a load, I reckon.
Oh really? And how would they stay if not wanted then? Explain.[/quote]

Same way Syria does. Eliminate the vocal opponents.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/11/beirut-assassinations-one-common.html
 

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