Iran NOT responsible for UK soldiers dying - Govt admits

#2
Oh christ.

Is there a second source for this? I'd be more inclined to believe it, if there was a MoD press release or similar.

There was a thread deleted sometime ago about IR stuff, and just how easy it was to put together, so maybe you don't have to be an Iranian bombmaker to do it.

But didn't Bluppet say he'd got this info from us?
 

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#4
Tip - Don't believe all you read in the 'papers - especially not if it's a satanic combination of the Indy and the FCO.
 
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#5
Who do you believe? The soldiers and intelligence sources on the ground or the New Labour spin machine. They are looking probably for an excuse not to confront the Iranians on this issue so as not to damage the Islamic vote at home prior to the May elections.... just a theory... New Labour wouldn't stoop so low as to change policy to gain votes...

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#6
On the other hand ... I could put one of these triggering devices together in my garage following a few visits to B&Q and maybe some stuff from Maplins. If you're smart and have a background in electronics it is not difficult at all. I haven't done it by the way, nor am I about to, but don't kid yourself that the Iraqis couldn't have done it themselves.

That said, if a neatly boxed package of blueprints, finished articles and instructions arrived from Iran why bother ?

To find out what really happened would require detailed access to information that frankly we're never going to see for perfectly valid OPSEC reasons. So the real question is do we trust the current government not to lie to us for political advantage ? (Cue hollow laugh)
 

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#7
Henchmen in the Home Office eh herrenvolk ?.....gee


Meanwhile,from BBC monitoring website at http://www.monitor.bbc.co.uk/sites/global_security/daily briefing/iraq_briefing.shtml
the local take on minor affrays which don't even register over here: :
Al-Sharqiyah TV news summary 1400 gmt 4 Jan 06

Three people killed, 11 wounded in car bombing in Al-Dawrah area in southern Baghdad ... Iraqi policeman killed, 18 others wounded in addition to two civilians in gun battle in Al-Ghazaliyah area in western Baghdad ... Gun battles break out between Iraqi police and gunmen who attacked convoy of 60 trucks carrying fuel tanks in northern Baghdad. Nineteen tanks destroyed ... Thirteen people killed, 36 wounded when unidentified gunmen attacked funeral in Al-Miqdadiyah town, north-east of Baghdad ... About 40 people wounded, police vehicle burnt in clashes between police and jobless demonstrators in Al-Nasiriyah town in southern Iraq .... Three people wounded, four cars damaged in car bomb in Karbala, southwest of Baghdad ... Iraqi deputy interior minister attributes congestion in Baghdad on 4 Jan to emergency security measures in search for the minister's sister, who was kidnapped on 3rd ... Iraqi minister of planning and development cooperation, Barhan Salih, starts regional tour to drum up Arab support for political process in Iraq ... US helicopter reportedly crashes in Mosul as a result of technical problem ... Progress has been achieved to unify general departments of the two main Kurdish parties in Kurdistan province ... Undentified gunmen assassinate an Iraqi Oil Ministry senior official and his son in Al-Amiriyah in western Baghdad ... Two Iraqi civilians killed, two wounded in bomb explosion in Kirkuk. Gunmen attack column of trucks carrying fuel tanks from Bayji refinery to Baghdad ... Soldier, civilian wounded in bomb explosion in Ba'qubah ... Jordanian Bar Association calls for suspending membership of Iraqi Bar Association in Arab Lawyers Union in protest at Iraqi justice minister decision to dissolve its board ... Statistics show that about 6,000 Iraqis have been killed in acts of violence in 2005 ... US Defence Department ascribes US troops' weak performance in Iraqi and Afghanistan to their weak level in Arabic and Pashto languages. No video ... Report on crisis of Iraqi pilgrims to Saudi Arabia who are still stranded in Baghdad international port and some mosques ... Report on congestion and traffic jams in Baghdad as a result of search for kidnapped sister of the interior minister ... Report on recent acts of violence in various Iraqi areas ... Report on gunmen attacks on trucks transporting fuel tanks, thus resulting in fuel shortage in various Iraqi areas.
...and so it continues ( some of this reminds me of Comical Ali....supsect we might have heard if the US Army had lost 19 tanks in action....)

Le Chevre
 
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#8
This government won't even prosecute Iraqi murderers of British soldiers that are in our custody. Do you think they want the added complication of the Iran situation? A few months ago we were being told of irrefutable evidence of Iranian involvement including intact devices. Sounds to me like another betrayal of the troops by the shameless bunch of shysters that passes for our government. They should be held to account for their moral bankruptcy.
 
#9
Goatman said:
Three people killed, 11 wounded in car bombing in Al-Dawrah area in southern Baghdad ... Iraqi policeman killed, 18 others wounded in addition to two civilians in gun battle in Al-Ghazaliyah area in western Baghdad ... Gun battles break out between Iraqi police and gunmen who attacked convoy of 60 trucks carrying fuel tanks in northern Baghdad. Nineteen tanks destroyed ... ... Report on recent acts of violence in various Iraqi areas ... Report on gunmen attacks on trucks transporting fuel tanks, thus resulting in fuel shortage in various Iraqi areas.
...and so it continues ( some of this reminds me of Comical Ali....supsect we might have heard if the US Army had lost 19 tanks in action....)

Le Chevre[/quote]

Methinks they were fuel tanks, not Abrams
 
#11
Bollocks! The Iranians have been fishing in Basra for 18 months at least. I can't see how they could NOT be involved in recent attacks, even if all they supplied was technical know how. Ask the units that had the joy of patrolling in the area of the border withn Iran how many times they've been shot at by the Iranains!
 
#12
No. 10 Downing Street said: No, the bombs aren't coming from Iran. Probably the people who make them got the details off the web, or worked it out for themselves - you know Iraq used to have a space programme as well as a chem/bio/nuke one, so there are quite a lot of engineers about. Why did we think it was them? Oh, we just said that because the Yanks would like it.
 
#13
some of this reminds me of Comical Ali....supsect we might have heard if the US Army had lost 19 tanks in action....
From the BBC Monitoring web site:

"A convoy of oil tankers also came under attack north of the city, but the Oil Ministry said only one vehicle was hit. It denied reports that up to 19 tankers had been destroyed."

That's a bit more plausible.
 
#14
There will be reasons for making the claim in the first place and for retracting it that have nothing to do with any factual basis.

Perhaps it depends on what side of the bed Dubya fell out of on a particular day.
 
#15
In 1998/9 the Serbs got blamed for everything by the media after being egged on by 'private briefings' from 'official spokesmen' (including the killing of Jill Dando - remember that one?). Of course, the vast majorityl turned out as utter drivvel, but the damage had been done; the message was out - Serbs were behind all the evil-doing in the world and thus deserved to be given a good pasting!

Then the Iraqis came in for the name and shame game - whether it was true or not: supplying WMD to al-Qaida, WMD on 45min alert, blah, blah and rotten blah again...

Do you honestly think it a surprise that Iran is now coming in for the same treatment? For me, the only surprise is that it's not Syria now and Iran in 12-18 months time! Ooops - forgot, Syria copt it 18 months ago, and none of us believed the drivvel!!!!!!
 
#17
A government spokesman has admitted that claims the Iranians were responsible for the deaths and injuries of British soldiers in Iraq were false. He added "Apparently we are actually responsible, well bugger me."

Tony Blair is 15.
 

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