Iran military in Syria fire '20 MISSILES' at Israel targets in Golan Heights

[scalieback]

then sorry for laying the whole spiel about it - made me feel shitty just recalling it.

I served a year on the Lebanese border in 1981-1982 and I can state categorically that any harm to UN or for that matter civilians could only be a result of individual negligence. Throughout my 3 + 20 years the policy of not involving noncombatants was clear and unfaltering. Shit happens however, particularly in the heat of battle, as a result of which IDF people also get killed or injured.

No need to be sorry about it at all in my view. Sh1t happens in war. Good and bad. I don’t believe any armed forces can claim to be in a position where it hasn’t made any mistakes.

 

[irlsgt]

You were directly targeted? No artillery or rockets from anyone other than Israeli’s? All one way?

Not sure about rockets as they were generally aimed at the Israelis. Small arms, RPGs, IEDs certainly

 

[scalieback]

Lebanon anything like being on the receiving end of 107’s in KAF and Bastion?

Well in the past would have been at times except it was Israeli aircraft and 155s

You were directly targeted? No artillery or rockets from anyone other than Israeli’s? All one way?

Not sure about rockets as they were generally aimed at the Israelis. Small arms, RPGs, IEDs certainly

Your first response implies you were directly targeted by the IDF. Obviously both sides were lobbing stuff at each other but were you as UN Peacekeepers purposely targeted by either side?

 

[irlsgt]

Your first response implies you were directly targeted by the IDF. Obviously both sides were lobbing stuff at each other but were you as UN Peacekeepers purposely targeted by either side?

They have on occasion

 

[scalieback]

They have on occasion

Who? IDF or SAA? What action was taken eg representation to Comd that you were ‘directly targeted’?

 

[irlsgt]

Who? IDF or SAA? What action was taken eg representation to Comd that you were ‘directly targeted’?

IDF, DFF, “Armed Elements”

Generally UNIFIL would try to deescalate (I’m not aware of any incidents since 2006 due to the peace enforcement mandate) but fire has been returned on occasion

Irish troops with UNDOF have returned fire on rebels on occasion

 

[irlsgt]

Here’s a few
Killing of Irish soldier by Israelis believed to be ‘deliberate and unprovoked’

Protest to Israel at killing of Irish soldier

Not forgetting Smallhorne and
Barrett

 

[scalieback]

IDF, DFF, “Armed Elements”

Generally UNIFIL would try to deescalate (I’m not aware of any incidents since 2006 due to the peace enforcement mandate) but fire has been returned on occasion

Irish troops with UNDOF have returned fire on rebels on occasion

You’re 100% sure U.N. troops in the Golan were deliberately targeted by the IDF? You’re mentioning UNIFIL now.

Here’s a few
Killing of Irish soldier by Israelis believed to be ‘deliberate and unprovoked’

Protest to Israel at killing of Irish soldier

Not forgetting Smallhorne and
Barrett

‘Believed to be’? Anyway, it would appear that you were on occasion targeted by IDF or De Facto Forces so doing the UN peacekeeping job is similar to being rocketed in KAF or Bastion.

Going back to your original point of “when is the UK going to join the party?” you think that’s the same as DCC Ops?

 

[AULD_SWEAT]

I’m just off on holiday there, I hope the noisy neighbours aren’t going to spoil it.....

 

[irlsgt]

You’re 100% sure U.N. troops in the Golan were deliberately targeted by the IDF? You’re mentioning UNIFIL now.

you asked about Lebanon

Afaik there hasn’t been any fire by the IDF on UNDOF positions.

‘Believed to be’? Anyway, it would appear that you were on occasion targeted by IDF or De Facto Forces so doing the UN peacekeeping job is similar to being rocketed in KAF or Bastion.

Going back to your original point of “when is the UK going to join the party?” you think that’s the same as DCC Ops?[/QUOTE]
Either way your being directly targeted

It isn’t the same and it isn’t the holiday camp of Cyprus

 

[scalieback]

you asked about Lebanon

When? I believe we were discussing the Golan Heights?

Afaik there hasn’t been any fire by the IDF on UNDOF positions.

Thank you

Either way your being directly targeted

I believe I agreed with that and it is similar to KAF and BSN rocket attacks

It isn’t the same ...

No, it’s not the same. However, the British Army has been involved with both ‘peacekeeping’ and ‘warfighting’ Ops for years. You only have experience of the former.

...isn’t the holiday camp of Cyprus.

I never said it was. However, you’re querying why the U.K. aren’t helping with U.N. missions when you know they have been and still are involved with war fighting operations and have been for years.

It’s like me asking what Ireland’s contribution is in dealing with the unanimous UNSC Resolution to defeat IS in Iraq and Syria?

 

[AfghanAndy]

Well the Irish know that since 1978 in Lebanon when is the UK going to join the party?

Still not sorted it out yet? Or is it an Irish cash cow?

 

[irlsgt]

Still not sorted it out yet? Or is it an Irish cash cow?

It doesn’t cover the costs and the UN is well behind with payments

I wouldn’t call 47 lives a cash cow


UNFICYP is going longer

 

[AfghanAndy]

It doesn’t cover the costs and the UN is well behind with payments

I wouldn’t call 47 lives a cash cow


UNFICYP is going longer

Then petition the Irish government to pull out.

You can always redeploy to the NI border to enforce customs collections.

 

[meerkatz]

They have on occasion

If you insist on sitting in no mans land when two bigger dogs tear into each other, it shoudnt come as a surprise when you get bit.

Top tip: IDF don't do 'proportional' - they understand that in their situation, the old 'Ultra Violence' is the only way to react. If they think you are either directly, or indirectly helping the other side, you become a very legitimate target in their eyes.

 

[skid2]

If you insist on sitting in no mans land when two bigger dogs tear into each other, it shoudnt come as a surprise when you get bit.

Top tip: IDF don't do 'proportional' - they understand that in their situation, the old 'Ultra Violence' is the only way to react. If they think you are either directly, or indirectly helping the other side, you become a very legitimate target in their eyes.

Tit.
For some reason the Izzy’s really didnt like the Irish UN force. Described them as the ‘Johnnie Walker battalion’, some sort of humorous take on their supposed habits while on deployment.

As it happened the Irish were one of the few UNs who stood up to the Israelis and prevented them from doing whatever they liked and wanted.
It didn’t go down well and is reputed to have lead to a couple of ‘accidental and unfortunate incidents’.

 

[irlsgt]

When? I believe we were discussing the Golan Heights?

you brought up Lebanon in post 49

However, the British Army has been involved with both ‘peacekeeping’ and ‘warfighting’ Ops for years. You only have experience of the former.

correct but since UNPROFOR has there been a major contribution of British troops to any, let’s say more robust, UN mission?

I never said it was. However, you’re querying why the U.K. aren’t helping with U.N. missions when you know they have been and still are involved with war fighting operations and have been for years.

People criticise the UN for not doing enough yet they partially control the mandate and then don’t provide troops.

It’s like me asking what Ireland’s contribution is in dealing with the unanimous UNSC Resolution to defeat IS in Iraq and Syria?

absolutely

But we do have a naval vessel in the Med on the EU mission, we have/had personnel training locals in Mali and Somalia, we had personnel with ISAF.

If we hadn’t have put troops on the ground with UNDOF there was a very high possibility of the mission ceasing, that assists in preventing the conflict spreading (as does UNIFIL).

 

[irlsgt]

Then petition the Irish government to pull out.

No because we are actually doing good on the ground

 

[meerkatz]

Tit.
For some reason the Izzy’s really didnt like the Irish UN force. Described them as the ‘Johnnie Walker battalion’, some sort of humorous take on their supposed habits while on deployment.

Im sure there was no reason for the Irish government to ban booze on deployments… oh wait…

 

[meerkatz]

No because we are actually doing good on the ground

After 32,000 deployments, the penny should have dropped you are doing the square root of bugger all.