Introduction of RN Direct Entry SNCO Level engineering technicians.

#1
For those with NVQ 4 Military or Civil mechnical engineering qualifications, a Heads - Up:

DIRECT ENTRY PETTY OFFICER TECHNICIANS

The current shortage of Senior Rate engineers has required a trial project to recruit technicians into the Petty Officer Marine Engineer Technician rate. This has been initiated, with effect from 20th July.


Applicants must commence training before their 40th birthday. Standard eligibility criteria applies.

Additional eligibility criteria for DEPOT(ME) requires:
  • Formal academic engineering qualification at Level 4 (HNC or equivalent)
  • Level 2 qualification in Maths and English (GCSE grade C or higher)
  • 3 years experience of maintaining and fault diagnosis of electrical and/or mechanical systems. (propulsion systems, controls, diesel engines, water plant, power generation, refrigeration, for example)
  • Supervisory experience and line management over at least 2 engineering technicians.
Initially, eligible applicants will sit the Recruit test and be interviewed on the same day at their local AFCO.

Successful DEPOT(ME) candidates will later be called forward in batches to conduct the one-day, final stage of their recruitment. This will include the Medical Examination, a Fitness Test, another interview to assess professional technical competence & there will be Leadership Assessment(s). (Each candidate will attend with proof of their identity and completed optician report form.)

Successful candidates will be informed and offers made during January 2016.

All DEPOT(ME) candidates will complete PRNC prior to joining HMS Raleigh.

Successful DEPOT(ME) candidates will complete standard Initial Naval Training (INT) at HMS Raleigh followed by a bespoke Phase 2 training package.

Starting pay? £33,561

Questions? Call the dedicated DEPOT(ME) number: 0345 604 6717

Drips? See a plumber.

 
#5
A one-day interview for a set of PO's hooks, eh? F**k me, that'd make you feel valued if you were a dabber or chef..........
 

seaweed

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#7
What goes around, comes around. The RN recruited suitable skills as direct entry tiffs during WW2.
 
#8
A one-day interview for a set of PO's hooks, eh? F**k me, that'd make you feel valued if you were a dabber or chef..........
It's certainly an interesting one.

A civilian qualified Chef could arguably qualify for fast-track promotion within the service after a couple of years at college, but there are no technical qualifications required for civilian deck-hands before joining the Navy as a Warfare Specialist/Seaman Specialist, or indeed technical qualifications earned whilst they serve.

The other side of the coin is whether or not an 18 year-old with a handfull of GCSE's and a couple of A Levels should be placed in charge of their peer group and paid £10K a year more because they passed AIB.

At least the Direct Entry "not-tiff" DEPOT joins with an NVQ4, management skills & several years technical engineering experience.

Until recently, we were the only organisation I could think of, that pay their senior storepersons & clerks more than their technical tradespersons.
 
#11
Back to the future!

We have nothing to learn from MN/RFA common practice!

But haven't you now been forced to do what they've done for ever?

Yeahbutnobutyeahbut.....
 
#12
Back to the future!

We have nothing to learn from MN/RFA common practice!

But haven't you now been forced to do what they've done for ever?
I reckon the RN first had a crack at recruiting Direct Entry engineers just after they stopped hoisting main engines, to be honest, much the same as our mercantile opposite numbers.

It's been a common practice in the RN for many years, re-invented every couple of decades since the Queen's great grandmother kicked-it. In fact I initially applied as a DEA myself (1981) but didn't have the "time served" bit to meet the initial eligibility stuff.
 
#13
I reckon the RN first had a crack at recruiting Direct Entry engineers just after they stopped hoisting main engines, to be honest, much the same as our mercantile opposite numbers.

It's been a common practice in the RN for many years, re-invented every couple of decades since the Queen's great grandmother kicked-it. In fact I initially applied as a DEA myself (1981) but didn't have the "time served" bit to meet the initial eligibility stuff.

Oh I know, but they hate doing it except when forced, and as soon as they can, they do their very best to univent the practice.
 
#14
No change then
 
#15
Alternatively, if you have an HND, join the RFA as a 3rd Officer System Engineer.
 
#17
The British Army is the only one I know of that doesn't have a scheme something along these lines. Some have direct entry for professional NCOs based on academic quals and suitability, whereas others have accelerated promotion to the equivalent of our SNCO. It does work for most of them, although some completely ignore the 'soldier first; tradesman second' conceit.

It works very well for the Danes, a bit iffy for the Bundeswehr (rank inflation is rife and compulsory. 3 or 4 Staff Sergeant/WO2 equivalents in an infantry section.), good for the US (WO's programme), Greeks are shit at everything anyway, the Czechs use it for everyone, Belgians have a good system as do the cloggies.

There is no reason for the brits not to do it for techy type trades, it might even attract engineers in the ORs.
 

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#18
The British Army is the only one I know of that doesn't have a scheme something along these lines. Some have direct entry for professional NCOs based on academic quals and suitability, whereas others have accelerated promotion to the equivalent of our SNCO. It does work for most of them, although some completely ignore the 'soldier first; tradesman second' conceit.

It works very well for the Danes, a bit iffy for the Bundeswehr (rank inflation is rife and compulsory. 3 or 4 Staff Sergeant/WO2 equivalents in an infantry section.), good for the US (WO's programme), Greeks are shit at everything anyway, the Czechs use it for everyone, Belgians have a good system as do the cloggies.

There is no reason for the brits not to do it for techy type trades, it might even attract engineers in the ORs.
Well, they used to. Back in 1967 (dear me, that long ago) under basic training one of our intake was held away from the rest of us. He was a qualified electronic technician and, after the first few weeks, nipped across the road to the SEE as a Sergeant and put straight on the Tiffy course.
I'm sure he wasn't the only one.
 
#19
Alternatively, if you have an HND, join the RFA as a 3rd Officer System Engineer.

Well, there I was as a cheeky little 17yr chappie in the mid 70's with me fistful of o levels and an a level. You can be a baby tiff and start at the very bottom said the RN recruiter. MN officer in the OND fast stream for you and someone else cleans the toilets said the nice man from BP.
 

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