Fabius Maximus
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I know, I said there were exceptions, I meant as a rule of thumb.Plenty of people go to MCTC for theft/fraud
I know, I said there were exceptions, I meant as a rule of thumb.Plenty of people go to MCTC for theft/fraud
I know, I said there were exceptions, I meant as a rule of thumb.
Not my fault if "serve to lead" is a bag of bollocks is it?
I wasn't the one on here who claimed officers had a chance to avoid a CM by resigning or made up some **** reason why an officer should let someone be hurt.
Hook(s), line and sinker. Welcome to Friday night.
So your answer is?Depends when it was and even before adoption of drivers hours what driver standing orders were. Oh and depends what actually happened and the extent to which fatigue could have been a contributory factor.
I know, I said there were exceptions, I meant as a rule of thumb.
A true dit. I had to do the write-off paperwork for a vehicle accident where the driver was held not to blame for the mishap and damage. It was winter and the roads in Lincolnshire were in a sh!t state. The driver had been ordered to deliver a load of Firestreak missiles (real ones, not drill rounds) to Binbrook - there was some urgent operational need otherwise it wouldn't have been sent. Near to Binbrook the vehicle had slid off the road and overturned with the cargo taking the weight. Firestreak missiles didn't come cheap...................
But what would the charge be where the driver's done nothing wrong? "Cpl CAARPS, you are charged that you did, on or about sometime in 1991 at RIPON, did, erm, do fvck all, and got rear ended, occasioning damage to the tune of £12.83 to a military vehicle". Doesn't seem like it'd pass muster to me.
As @wetsmonkey said earlier, anyone can lose their temper and assault anyone. I would be surprised anyone with a history of violent offending is still in the army. Again, we all know of exceptions. Sentencing similar to civvy life.Have a look at these CM results
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Court martial results from the military court centres: January to December 2019 - GOV.UK
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Note how many assault type charges dont involve pokey.
Although I notice racial harassment and conduct prejudicial to good order and service discipline carries 90 days
As does racially aggravated threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour.
TA soldier of mine assaulted by his day job supervisor in a pub, said supervisor glassed another soldier in the neck who was lucky to survive. Supervisor got a suspended sentence his underling was binned for refusing to work with his psycho boss.Whoever would have thought that battering a work colleague would have consequences?
That seems a little odd. I was under the impression that a glassing would always get you a custodial sentence.TA soldier of mine assaulted by his day job supervisor in a pub, said supervisor glassed another soldier in the neck who was lucky to survive. Supervisor got a suspended sentence his underling was binned for refusing to work with his psycho boss.
Wounding without intent, first offence. Good lawyer, heap on the sob story. Should be suspended.That seems a little odd. I was under the impression that a glassing would always get you a custodial sentence.
Bang on. Family man frightened of the awesome soldier in front of him.Wounding without intent, first offence. Good lawyer, heap on the sob story. Should be suspended.
As @wetsmonkey said earlier, anyone can lose their temper and assault anyone. I would be surprised anyone with a history of violent offending is still in the army. Again, we all know of exceptions. Sentencing similar to civvy life.
Dishonesty/theft/burglary offences are a bit different in the army. Any copper on here who has dealt with dismal fraud offences in civvy life knows that the defence heaps on the deprivation/poverty/abuse etc.
No army person has to steal to feed their family. They may do it for other reasons. So a court is less likely to be sympathetic towards a hard case story.
As we all know, the CoC is very sympathetic to a hard case story.
I am talking from a background of policing to the criminal justice world. And the service justice system.I know several in my last sqn who went to MCTC for assault and were repeat offenders (and got soldier on until it was one assault to many)
Im quite confident if I lost my temper and assaulted a work colleague I would lose my job at the same time. Strange how people generally keep their cool when their job is on the line.
I am talking from a background of policing to the criminal justice world. And the service justice system.
Army: drunkenness (As indulged first time). Then fighting, assaults involving drink. Thus far indulged by the CoC as an otherwise useful bloke will be binned and the regiment will need another. Regiment gets involved.
At this point “useful” bloke does it again, and CO gets involved again, or gives up.
All fairly straightforward in the CJS.
Civworld. Way, way messier than that. But if you hit a colleague, it’s gross misconduct and you are sacked.
MCTC has always had an aspect of rehabilitation. It is indeed one of its core missions, to return a soldier to the army.
One of the aspects of the army being different from the rest of the world.
Civvy firms can do what they please.Do you think many civvie firms put up with it? Why is the Army special in letting bellends fight?
Earlier in the thread, some people were trying to justify why ROO wont get involved in a fight between subordinates.
Its not as if those at the top have to continue to work and live with violent people is it?
Civvy firms can do what they please.
In many ways the army plays catch up to the normal, civilian world. Until abolished, it was illegal to fight, or offer to fight in civvy life
And there’s the truth. Many organisations outside the army do indeed tolerate bellends on the payroll.Civvy firms not wanting bellends on their payroll, what a shock eh?
And there’s the truth. Many organisations outside the army do indeed tolerate bellends on the payroll.
”steady hand”
”firm leadership”
”takes no nonsense”
”shouts when needed”
”losers; gone”
Pick up your cheque and P45.
No duff question.Have a look at these CM results
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Court martial results from the military court centres: January to December 2019 - GOV.UK
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk
Note how many assault type charges dont involve pokey.
Although I notice racial harassment and conduct prejudicial to good order and service discipline carries 90 days
As does racially aggravated threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour.