Interesting court martial on the horizon, General in the dock.

He was leaning on the Pay Sgt not the Paymaster.

As soon as the Paymaster got to hear that was that. I knew him well because I’d taken his daughters out years before in NI.

So, not ‘spineless’ at all.

Nice assumption though.
You never mentioned the Pay Sgt. As @stacker1 would say 'quick to the reversocycle'
 
It always gave me a bit of an odd feeling, being up in the Reichstag OP at night (on top of the SE tower with overwatch on the Brandenburg Gate area) knowing that I was probably the closest British serviceman to Moscow. With the exception of those BRIXMIS loonies cutting around in the DDR, of course!!

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Apart from DA Moscow ;)
 
How can I put this politely? He is not the sort of bloke from whom I would request assistance with the Telegraph crossword. However, give him a process to follow and he will insist upon it.

'The only thing harder than getting a new idea into his head, is getting an old idea out'?
 
What was reported at the start of the week was the prosecution opening speech- what they intend to prove by calling witnesses and evidence. The opening speech is not evidence!

Some witness evidence is now being reported as this is week 1. It is listed for a 4 week trial so the defence probably will not start until week 3.

Good Lord. 4 weeks? If he’s gone NG and it takes 4 weeks to find him otherwise, I expect the JAG will take a dim view.
 

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As it is a court martial JAG only gets one vote on sentence, the five board members also get a vote - so the judge can be outvoted!
 
What was reported at the start of the week was the prosecution opening speech- what they intend to prove by calling witnesses and evidence. The opening speech is not evidence!

Some witness evidence is now being reported as this is week 1. It is listed for a 4 week trial so the defence probably will not start until week 3.

Is it usual to have a four week trial for one count of CEA fraud?
 
On the basis of his wizard wheeze for engendering cultural transformation across the myriad regimental tribes beloved of the British army's officer corps, I sincerely hope nobody's seriously expecting him to oversee the transformation of our dwindling armed forces into a decisive global strategic entity . . . .
There was a bit more to it than a TRF and new belt!! You do come across as a bit of a dick here.
 

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Is it usual to have a four week trial for one count of CEA fraud?
I would have thought 2 weeks was a minimum for a contested trial. However it depends on the quantity of evidence and number of witnesses. As well as the reporting neighbours there will be the Glasgow representatives explaining how the JSP is written and how they think it is to be interpreted. They will get extensively cross examined with the defence case. There are few firm "rules" but lots of "guidance" and the version published changes about every three months!

There will be someone from the pay office to prove he submitted the claims, and probably someone from DIO about taking over the property. Then utility bills get get scrutinised for usage in both houses, RWA and private residence. Then local council may give evidence about council tax rebates sought or not etc.

Then it will get to the service police describing their searches etc, then there will be expert evidence. The experts will probably be a forensic accountant who examines the bank account/s and the credit card spend by date/time/location to try and place both Mr and Mrs. Possibly one for the defence too.

Then experts on telephone analysis for each side. The mobile phone records for Mr and Mrs will have been searched and sifted for text messages and social media postings etc. Then there will be a plot of all phone calls to/from with a DTG and a phone mast (postcode etc) again to try to pin down where they were. If locations are contested then this alone could take a few days.

Then his explanations in police interview will be read out.

That is the just prosecution case. Then there will be legal matters that can delay things.

Then the defence case starts ....
 
I worked for a 3* who routinely obliged his MA (late of the SAS) to pay his boss' hotel bills with his personal credit card, the 3* claiming the expenses for himself, then waiting several months before repaying his subordinate.

When revealing this, the MA did say, however, that it got him a 'get-outta-jail' card on on occasion, when the 3* (uncharacteristically) whipped out his own Visa card at check-out time.

Quick thinking MA let boss leave the lobby, and asked the clerk for a copy of the 3* room bill ('for the record', you understand)

The incriminating entry was the fee for several hours watching the paid-for porn channel :thumleft:
Total thread drift/dit, but triggered by your post.

At a Joint Unit I served in we had a relatively large Det out to the USA for about 3 weeks, probably 20-25 blokes. ALL the HOTAC accommodation (I repeat all HOTAC) paid for by our XO from his own Visa card which was subsequently settled up by the RAO back in Blighty.

Nothing to do with him racking up a squillion nectar/visa/whatever points. No siree bob.
 
There are few firm "rules" but lots of "guidance" and the version published changes about every three months!
There is a large loophole the size of the Dartford tunnel for the defence to exploit. Usually for a successful prosecution in fraud cases the firms accounting SOP's have to be clear and precise. They can have all the telephone evidence and witnesses they want but fraud cases mainly fail due to a firms sloppy accounting policies and procedures.
 
Apart from those of the garrison who took a wrong turn and ended up crossing the Eastern city boundary into Brandenburg. Ahem!
Was this the incident mentioned in Mike Jackson's book. A convoy heading down to the zone for training. On reaching the ring road the convoy leader sees a sign for Frankfurt. Thinks 'great thats on our route we will follow that.' The convoy of British troops is then heading eastwards towards Frankfurt am Oder about to invade Poland with frantic signals going between the Soviets and British HQ in Berlin.

It made i larf when I read it.
 

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You never mentioned the Pay Sgt. As @stacker1 would say 'quick to the reversocycle'
You’re right I didn’t mention him - you just jumped right in calling the Paymaster spineless when you didn’t know the facts eh?
 

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Total thread drift/dit, but triggered by your post.

At a Joint Unit I served in we had a relatively large Det out to the USA for about 3 weeks, probably 20-25 blokes. ALL the HOTAC accommodation (I repeat all HOTAC) paid for by our XO from his own Visa card which was subsequently settled up by the RAO back in Blighty.

Nothing to do with him racking up a squillion nectar/visa/whatever points. No siree bob.
I have done that in my business for years ... for just that reason. Just a few million air miles etc. With the right paid-for credit cards (also funded through the business) large spends trigger other valuable rewards, so your XO probably had a very large credit limit agreed before he departed ... all good transferable skills for civilian life ;)
 

Bubbles_Barker

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I have done that in my business for years ... for just that reason. Just a few million air miles etc. With the right paid-for credit cards (also funded through the business) large spends trigger other valuable rewards, so your XO probably had a very large credit limit agreed before he departed ... all good transferable skills for civilian life ;)
I seem to remember that was against the rules. Certainly was if you were on an MOD AA card.
 
Then the defence case starts ....
Surely it won't take long to say the rules are complex so its the armys fault not my client's?
 

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