Interesting although unverified account of decision to go after OBL

#1
I have not been able to confirm this, but it is plausible given His demonstrated style of "leadership" in foreign affairs and especially military matters. This has been clearly shown recently in His inexplicable inconsistency in approach and incredible rationales given in the US response (or nonreponse) to the various national iterations of the so-called democracy movements in the Middle East and northern Africa beginning with the ill-fated "uprising" in Iran (that reminded me with some nausea of America's unforgiveable waffling in the 1956 Hungarian uprising that was also brutally crushed after America reneged on its explicit and implicit support for the dissidents).

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#2
I have not been able to confirm this, but it is plausible given His demonstrated style of "leadership" in foreign affairs and especially military matters. This has been clearly shown recently in His inexplicable inconsistency in approach and incredible rationales given in the US response (or nonreponse) to the various national iterations of the so-called democracy movements in the Middle East and northern Africa beginning with the ill-fated "uprising" in Iran (that reminded me with some nausea of America's unforgiveable waffling in the 1956 Hungarian uprising that was also brutally crushed after America reneged on its explicit and implicit support for the dissidents).


White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden | Socyberty
Can you comment on the credibility (or otherwise) and political bias of the source?

I am unconvinced by the plausibility aspect re POTUS as his actions seem consistent with usual delegations.Allowing professions to get on with the job is a key skill for any politician.

Will be interesting if any other media or press agencies run with the story.

PS Can you expand upon how this story ties in with 1956 Hungary, surely an analogy with the fall of the Batista government in Cuba would be more apt.
 
#3


Off thread but I am fascinated by this photo, which seems to crop up in all discussions relating to the mission oversight.
1. Is it usual to have a "photographer" present in real time?
2. If not who issued the instructions?
3. If it is a reconstruction, other questions come to mind.
4. The body language of several players other than Mrs Clinton is interesting.

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#4
I think it's a load of bollocks, UBL was taken out just when America needed some good news, something to distract the press from their dire credit rating and spiralling debt and the overtime worked by the printing presses of the National Reserve bank. UBL's hit has been saved for the rainy day at least since August last.
 
#5
I think that has credibility, if they suspected he was there they'd have been watching for some time and have had a decent idea of the threat & intelligence value. If he had either they'd have acted sooner on or not at all.
 
#6
JJH thread Cliff notes:

The black dude who's not a proper american is the devil.
Everything the black dude who's not a proper american does is bad..
If only the Republicans had gotten back in American would be great and strong again.
All americas ills are the fault of the black dude who's not a proper american.


All JJH threads on President Obama boil down to the same covert, but rather blatant racism.
 
#9
Can you comment on the credibility (or otherwise) and political bias of the source?

I am unconvinced by the plausibility aspect re POTUS as his actions seem consistent with usual delegations.Allowing professions to get on with the job is a key skill for any politician.

Will be interesting if any other media or press agencies run with the story.

PS Can you expand upon how this story ties in with 1956 Hungary, surely an analogy with the fall of the Batista government in Cuba would be more apt.
I have not been able to verify but it certainly has been picked up by "right leaning" or otherwisr partisan sites--hence my caveat.

As to my Hungary analogy to Iran, your point about Cuba is well taken. I concede more of an affinity for the Magyars since I led multiple US defense/state dept delegations tbroughout the 90s to hel "westernize" Hungary's government and military and learned much detail not public about the 1956 fiasco and the shameful role of the US ( under a Republican administration by the way).
 

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#10
Can you comment on the credibility (or otherwise) and political bias of the source?
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Reuters it aint. I'm fairly sure I read that Vice Adm. Bill McRaven got a direct call from Obama himself?
 
#11
I'm sure the Pulitzer Prize committee are crapping themselves about missing this story. Why is an unverified account even being published? While I accept that not every true story will be verified, this one sticks out like a sore thumb against every other account, even Al Jazeera's or Russia Today's.

Good try though.
 
#12
It's this at the bottom of the blog which amused me:

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#13
All JJH threads on President Obama boil down to the same covert, but rather blatant racism.
Mate, you need to stop doing this. JJH is not a racist, he's a Southern Republican who despises Democrats. I've never seen JJH uttering a single racist word, or a racist implication or any other melanin-based insult. To the best of my knowledge, JJH acknowledges two colours - Marine Green and all the others.

Seriously, you are utterly on the wrong track here.
 
#14
Mate, you need to stop doing this. JJH is not a racist, he's a Southern Republican who despises Democrats. I've never seen JJH uttering a single racist word, or a racist implication or any other melanin-based insult. To the best of my knowledge, JJH acknowledges two colours - Marine Green and all the others.

Seriously, you are utterly on the wrong track here.
Have to agree with you there. JJH might have little love for democrats or gays but he's certainly never given me any reason to think of him as racist.
 
#15
Mate, you need to stop doing this. JJH is not a racist, he's a Southern Republican who despises Democrats. I've never seen JJH uttering a single racist word, or a racist implication or any other melanin-based insult. To the best of my knowledge, JJH acknowledges two colours - Marine Green and all the others.

Seriously, you are utterly on the wrong track here.
Spot on, do you work for "Nutshells 'R' Us?
 
#16
I have not been able to verify but it certainly has been picked up by "right leaning" or otherwisr partisan sites--hence my caveat.

As to my Hungary analogy to Iran, your point about Cuba is well taken. I concede more of an affinity for the Magyars since I led multiple US defense/state dept delegations tbroughout the 90s to hel "westernize" Hungary's government and military and learned much detail not public about the 1956 fiasco and the shameful role of the US ( under a Republican administration by the way).
Any open source material on Hungary that you could recommend as I don't know a great deal about the satellites other than Usbek, Tajik and Turkman?
 
#17
JJH thread Cliff notes:

The black dude who's not a proper american is the devil.
Everything the black dude who's not a proper american does is bad..
If only the Republicans had gotten back in American would be great and strong again.
All americas ills are the fault of the black dude who's not a proper american.


All JJH threads on President Obama boil down to the same covert, but rather blatant racism.
If nothing else you are consistent, if not vacuous. Throwing the racist term around so irresponsibly does little for discourse and debate but of course, and sadly, that is the tactic of many in America and I see elsewhere who prefer ad hominem attacks to substantive discussion.
 
#18
Mate, you need to stop doing this. JJH is not a racist, he's a Southern Republican who despises Democrats. I've never seen JJH uttering a single racist word, or a racist implication or any other melanin-based insult. To the best of my knowledge, JJH acknowledges two colours - Marine Green and all the others.

Seriously, you are utterly on the wrong track here.
Argghh!!! While I appreciate your defense, please please understand I am NOT a Republican (in the party sense of the term) and were they in power now if they were doing the things our current Masters are doing I would be just as critical. I have very little regard for the vast majority of modern day professional politicians (and the progressivist ideologues who manipulate them) regardless of their party or color.

My concern is with the notion perpetuated by a government and its political and ideological supporters and allies that the government, and especially an increasingly powerful central government, can solve all our problems and "take care" of our every need, all of course as determined by some elite (whether characterized by their own sense of self importance and omniscience based on intellect, education, wealth, ideology, religion or whatever is the flavor of the day in terms of the criteria to be a member of that elite.
 
#19
Argghh!!! While I appreciate your defense, please please understand I am NOT a Republican (in the party sense of the term) and were they in power now if they were doing the things our current Masters are doing I would be just as critical. I have very little regard for the vast majority of modern day professional politicians (and the progressivist ideologues who manipulate them) regardless of their party or color.

My concern is with the notion perpetuated by a government and its political and ideological supporters and allies that the government, and especially an increasingly powerful central government, can solve all our problems and "take care" of our every need, all of course as determined by some elite (whether characterized by their own sense of self importance and omniscience based on intellect, education, wealth, ideology, religion or whatever is the flavor of the day in terms of the criteria to be a member of that elite.
Duly noted. I shall cease calling you a Republican forthwith. Would 'frothing-at-the-mouth Randist Libertarian' do, instead?
 
#20
I'm sure the Pulitzer Prize committee are crapping themselves about missing this story. Why is an unverified account even being published? While I accept that not every true story will be verified, this one sticks out like a sore thumb against every other account, even Al Jazeera's or Russia Today's.

Good try though.
I "published" it with an express disclaimer precisely because the "party line" from the Administration is so "pat" and very transparently being used more for political reasons that to inform the public. Based on the virtual lack of journalistic principles and rigor that now characterize at least most of the American "press"---as has been proven by such things as the Journ-O-List list-serv scandal-that mysteriously disappeared from the scene almost immediately--and myriad reports of various "news" organizations' own ombudspersons or "inspectors general" that they clearly slant their reporting in favor of our current Masters.

Accordingly, the "official" account of the decision-making process is thus far no more credible than the one I posted--again with clear caveating--merely to prompt discussion and critical (not in the negative sense of the term but in the intellectual) assessment of the "official version" when compared to the way the same decision-makers have handled other recent foreign policy crises--in particular the US response to the Egyptian situation where (at least in the US) it was confirmed that He took most of His cues from political advisers Valerie Jarrett and Samantha Powers rather than his official National Security team and has also been described even by the uder-liberal New Yorker Magazine as "leading from behind." Obama Foreign Policy: 'Leading from Behind' - Yahoo! News
 

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