Integrated Review, take your guesses

Goaty

Clanker
So with the Integrated Review supposedly due for release Mid-March(finally) what's the bets/guesses on what the general decision will be? Clearly there is some skepticism that regardless of what it says it will ultimately be chinned off by the old and bold who will fight to cling th the current mindset.

There have been several general rumours floating around, most of them to do with manpower and equipment bingo and some to do with strategy-cyber being seen as a new "domain" is a buzz phrase politicians and generals love to harp on about.

Propositions include reducing manning numbers, modify or even scrap current armour, convert light role battalions into light mechanized, invest in cyber and electronic warfare assets.

Personally I think the biggest current threat it likely to be funding going forward, although the recent announcement of a few extra billion over the next four years is welcome news-although the Navy and RAF seem to be taking the lions share of that-and Johnson for all his faults does appear to be a politician that is committed to maintaining a capable war fighting military. Reducing government spending post COVID I don't think it seen as a viable option regardless of what the deficit will be at, COVID for all its shit has shown massive gaps in government capability, most of them brought on by a lack of funds. COVID in some respects is a saving grace for the military on the political front, the building of field hospitals, logistic headaches and testing being done by military personnel has shown a clear benefit to maintaining a sizeable military force even if you aren't in the mindset of fighting wars.

But that rant over, what's the general consensus amongst the well educated and fellow simpletons on Arrse as to the likely outcome of the IR?
 
What paper do you work for?
 
The UK will finally take advantage of all those gifts weve been offertes and make a few changes absolutely on the cards as identified by an internal source

Land
All Heavy Armour will be scrapped - it has no role in future conflict.
4 Regiments of M1A3 - to replace challenger
2 Regiments M109 Hoitwzers
60 Blackhawks at US army prices (circa 6 Million a piece)

487 horses ( possibly as part of a new medium armour brigade)

Infantry reorganised into large Para, Guards rifles, Fusilers and Ruritanian regiments

57mm turret to replace 40mmCTA

Air 6 P8
10 C130
8 C17 gifted from unneeded USAF stocks

Navy
SM6
38 Osprey replacing Jungly 101s and Crows nest
20 SH60R

Oto Melara 76mm guns accross the fleet providing a real effective CIWS finaly ditching the pontless Phallanx

MOD - Qinietic - GCHQ all to close function will be replaced by Google and Karen
 
Last edited:

Boxer96

Old-Salt
The UK will finally take advantage of all those gifts weve been offertes and make a few changes absolutely on the cards as identified by an internal source

Land
All Heavy Armour will be scrapped - it has no role in future conflict.
4 Regiments of M1A3 - to replace challenger
2 Regiments M109 Hoitwzers
60 Blackhawks at US army prices (circa 6 Million a piece)

487 horses ( possibly as part of a new medium armour brigade)

Infantry reorganised into large Para, Guards rifles, Fusilers and Ruritanian regiments

57mm turret to replace 40mmCTA

Air 6 P8
10 C130
8 C17 gifted from unneeded USAF stocks

Navy
SM6
38 Osprey replacing Jungly 101s and Crows nest
20 SH60R

Oto Melara 76mm guns accross the fleet providing a real effective CIWS finaly ditching the pontless Phallanx

MOD - Qinietic - GCHQ all to close function will be replaced by Google and Karen
You missed "Photex promoted to head of defence procurement".
 

Bad CO

Admin
But that rant over, what's the general consensus amongst the well educated and fellow simpletons on Arrse as to the likely outcome of the IR?

It will be a fudge with individual services protecting what they consider to be their vital interests whilst no-one takes a coherent view on what is actually required ......

And the outcome won't be properly costed which means it will soon become apparent that it is unaffordable.
 

jrwlynch

LE
Book Reviewer
But that rant over, what's the general consensus amongst the well educated and fellow simpletons on Arrse as to the likely outcome of the IR?

I love carpet...

I love desk...

1614678594907.png
 
Last edited:

Daxx

MIA
Book Reviewer
Less money meaning less people but a national political expectation to still bail out everyone else who has more funding but 'struggles' ie NHS, Fire service Ambulance service, Environment Agency etc.

And some capital projects which will be underfunded, run hideously over budget, take so long to get into service they are almost obsolete when finally at FOC, but are soo important useful stuff will be cut to keep them going :)
 
Last edited:
The UK will finally take advantage of all those gifts weve been offertes and make a few changes absolutely on the cards as identified by an internal source

Land
All Heavy Armour will be scrapped - it has no role in future conflict.
4 Regiments of M1A3 - to replace challenger
2 Regiments M109 Hoitwzers
60 Blackhawks at US army prices (circa 6 Million a piece)

487 horses ( possibly as part of a new medium armour brigade)

Infantry reorganised into large Para, Guards rifles, Fusilers and Ruritanian regiments

57mm turret to replace 40mmCTA

Air 6 P8
10 C130
8 C17 gifted from unneeded USAF stocks

Navy
SM6
38 Osprey replacing Jungly 101s and Crows nest
20 SH60R

Oto Melara 76mm guns accross the fleet providing a real effective CIWS finaly ditching the pontless Phallanx

MOD - Qinietic - GCHQ all to close function will be replaced by Google and Karen
What will become of Pay As You Dine?
 
cyber being seen as a new "domain" is a buzz phrase politicians and generals love to harp on about.

Well, considering cyberspace was recognised by the members of NATO in 2016 as a Domain of Operations, they're rather slow at getting 'on message'.

'We agreed in Wales that cyber defence is part of NATO's core task of collective defence. Now, in Warsaw, we reaffirm NATO's defensive mandate, and recognise cyberspace as a domain of operations in which NATO must defend itself as effectively as it does in the air, on land, and at sea. This will improve NATO's ability to protect and conduct operations across these domains and maintain our freedom of action and decision, in all circumstances. It will support NATO's broader deterrence and defence: cyber defence will continue to be integrated into operational planning and Alliance operations and missions, and we will work together to contribute to their success. Furthermore, it will ensure more effective organisation of NATO's cyber defence and better management of resources, skills, and capabilities.'

 

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
Dear OP,

for the record, you are not me
 
The UK will finally take advantage of all those gifts weve been offertes and make a few changes absolutely on the cards as identified by an internal source

Land
All Heavy Armour will be scrapped - it has no role in future conflict.
4 Regiments of M1A3 - to replace challenger
2 Regiments M109 Hoitwzers
60 Blackhawks at US army prices (circa 6 Million a piece)

487 horses ( possibly as part of a new medium armour brigade)

Infantry reorganised into large Para, Guards rifles, Fusilers and Ruritanian regiments

57mm turret to replace 40mmCTA

Air 6 P8
10 C130
8 C17 gifted from unneeded USAF stocks

Navy
SM6
38 Osprey replacing Jungly 101s and Crows nest
20 SH60R

Oto Melara 76mm guns accross the fleet providing a real effective CIWS finaly ditching the pontless Phallanx

MOD - Qinietic - GCHQ all to close function will be replaced by Google and Karen
You forgot to mention the new CGS, PhotEx...
 
Lets not forget this is an important opportunity for some to jockey for a gong. It pays to be self serving.
 
KFC Is Just Down The Road?
Not needed any more, there won't be many people left in the Army, so, they can just
make use of the local of the local chippie, or maybe they will all work from home
That is PAYD, take your PAYD money to where you choose to eat

Unless you mean that due to choice and the option of KFC, McDonalds, the chipy and kebab van that JRC diners and messes aren’t required.
 
. COVID in some respects is a saving grace for the military on the political front, ....
Alternatively, that ‘nice to have’ surplus workforce usually sat doing nothing can be sacked and called back if required as the Reserves

Did the Group4 security debacle over the Olympics ‘save’ the Armed Forces when they were able to provide boots on the ground ?
 

anglo

LE
That is PAYD, take your PAYD money to where you choose to eat

Unless you mean that due to choice and the option of KFC, McDonalds, the chipy and kebab van that JRC diners and messes aren’t required.
Way things are going, you would have more civvy cooks in the mess than men in the Army
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
So with the Integrated Review supposedly due for release Mid-March(finally) what's the bets/guesses on what the general decision will be? Clearly there is some skepticism that regardless of what it says it will ultimately be chinned off by the old and bold who will fight to cling th the current mindset.

There have been several general rumours floating around, most of them to do with manpower and equipment bingo and some to do with strategy-cyber being seen as a new "domain" is a buzz phrase politicians and generals love to harp on about.

Propositions include reducing manning numbers, modify or even scrap current armour, convert light role battalions into light mechanized, invest in cyber and electronic warfare assets.

Personally I think the biggest current threat it likely to be funding going forward, although the recent announcement of a few extra billion over the next four years is welcome news-although the Navy and RAF seem to be taking the lions share of that-and Johnson for all his faults does appear to be a politician that is committed to maintaining a capable war fighting military. Reducing government spending post COVID I don't think it seen as a viable option regardless of what the deficit will be at, COVID for all its shit has shown massive gaps in government capability, most of them brought on by a lack of funds. COVID in some respects is a saving grace for the military on the political front, the building of field hospitals, logistic headaches and testing being done by military personnel has shown a clear benefit to maintaining a sizeable military force even if you aren't in the mindset of fighting wars.

But that rant over, what's the general consensus amongst the well educated and fellow simpletons on Arrse as to the likely outcome of the IR?
Sleeves down, Jersey HW to be re-issued.

Gen.
 

Latest Threads

Top