INT CORPS SOLDIER OR INT OFFICER?

Discussion in 'Int Corps' started by Irongron, Jun 16, 2006.

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  1. INTELLIGENCE OFFICER

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  2. INT CORPS SOLDIER

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  1. I'm currently applying to become an Int Corps soldier but my careers advisor thought that, as I've a degree, I should try the Officer route.

    Which is the most interesting position in the Corps? Do officers just delegate int tasks to soldiers and then make decisions or do officers actualy do int work themselves and perhaps brief relevant high-ranking officers or mandarins? Do the soldiers do most of the int work and the officers are no more than line managers in camouflage?

    What's the different roles of each position?

    Any help with this would be much appreciated.

    Also, on the Army recruitment website, it talks about a further deployment in the army in general, 'to get a better understanding of the army as a whole' before phase 2 training begins at Chicksands. What's going on there? How long does that last?

    Is it just a way of making you join the infantry for a period as they're so down on manpower there...?
     
  2. Begrudgingly, I'd have to say officer. Better deal all round.

    To answer you question about most interesting job, I'd have to say that there are some jobs where you'd be better off as a soldier for hands on work. However, it takes time and passes on specialist and sometimes demanding courses to get those jobs, and in the meantime, you have to put up with shite from tosser junior officers and sad SNCO's, particularly those of other Corps and Regiments outside of the Int Corps.

    If you can join as an officer, you can sidestep all the knob Artillery boot bulling WO's and medically downgraded signals SCNO's who try to lord it over you in your junior days as a LCpl in a Bde Int section. And provided you can perform in a mediocre fashion, you can get auto-promoted to Major without any trouble whatsoever, a rank at which you will earn far more than you could as a soldier. Also, if you are lucky, as a junior officer you can at least get on some of the courses with the lads which would set you up for later in your career.

    A more tricky question to answer would be if you were only offered a commission in something like the RLC, or a soldier in the Int Corps. For that one I'd argue that if you could stay away from the rest of the army, the soldier option would be best if you are halfway interested in Int work and less concerned with status/cash.....but there are no guarantees of that avoidance by any means!
     
  3. Assuming that you have read the Int Corps Recruiting, Familiarisation etc… thread, you will know that having a degree is not out of the ordinary for an Int Corps Soldier.

    I have to agree with Zoid, the life of an Int Officer is understandably better than that of an Int Corps Soldier, but they are very selective when it comes to commissioning. However, there are other commissioning options available, such as joining as a soldier and then going for a commission, or taking the LE route, but that means making a career of it.

    Of course there is one real advantage to joining as a soldier, DE officers can never truly become part of the darkside. :wink:

    On this side of the Corps, officers manage manpower, resources, etc; they write ACR’s and they deal with administrative matters. The actual intelligence collection, analysis and reporting is done by soldiers. If you want face-time with a General, then a LCpl or Cpl is just as likely to be briefing as a Major. The one difference being, the General will probably take more interest in what the JNCO has got to say.
     
  4. All Arms presentation day: Sandbags (C) 1998:

    O cdt at Int Corps Stand: "Sir, will it matter if I don't have a degree and apply for a commission in the Intelligence Corps?"

    Capt Sonic: "Lack of a Degree is not usually an impediment, if you need to draw on the experience of someone with a degree, you can always ask one of your soldiers."

    If you want to manage and sometimes lead some of the brightest soldiers in the Army and learn a bit about Intelligence and Security than the officer path is the one for you.


    If you want deep immersion in the profession of intelligence and security, and sometimes manage and lead some of the brightest officers* in the Army, then OP MI is the path for you.

    Have the patience to do the latter first, and you will probably be able to do both after 22 years. It's a laugh a minute and you pick up some great mates along the way

    * and some of the thickest and most suspicious, if you have to deal with other "teeth arm"Oriffices

    PS: If you decide to go for another part of the Army, but fcuk up between 6-10 years after Commissioning, don't worry because you will get straight in the Int corps :wink:
     
  5. Cynical tw*t.

    Have you thought of doing the long India/Nepal trail, irongoin? Good hash to be had, good karma to be gained, man.
     
  6. SOLDIER!!!

    It depends what you want to do or where you want to be in 10 or 12 years time. You will never be a General if you join the Int Corps and the calibre of Soldier and structure of the Corps means that a lot of the 'Junior Officer type things' like lots of Welfare and leadership challenges wont be there. You would very much be a manager not a leader. You will be better paid and well respected as a Rupert but proffesionally the Soldiers are well trained, motivated and (fairly) well supported by the Corps infrastucture.

    As a soldier you can reach SNCO rank in 8 years WO rank in 12 or 13 years if you are lucky; and about 40% (i think) of Officers in the Corps have come from the Ranks.

    As a soldier you get all the perks of little responsibility (in your formative years) - when you are a LCpl in a pretty mundane job, and can find yourself working (with experience) in pretty high profile and responsible positions within a couple of years. I know a lot of guys who have gone the soldier route and built up a great looking Int CV. Also there are more postings available to Soldiers - therefore giving a wide variety of employment as oppossed to sitting in the Directorate or in an MI Section in Wiltshire.

    So - pension and prestige - Officer. Training and proffesional knowledge - Solider
     
  7. To be honest with you, I really want to do int work. But as an officer do you get to oversee much or brief people? By the look of things, int work is with soldiers but i hear doing the whole sandhurst thing means nicer salary and training with fellow graduates.

    Priority is int work. Imagery, humint, whatever. If officer means i get my nose rubbed in it and make judgements I'll do that. If soldier means i do the collating, analysing and briefing i'll do that. i understand int work is desk stuff, using your head but i am quite suited to that. just which ever is the better role, i'm reliant on you lads coz we all know the recruitment officer will just say whatever he has to.
     
  8. I can think of three, including in incoming GOC who might just beg to differ ther mate :wink:
     
  9. Yes the new GOC 4 Div, a previous director of this parish. I wouldn't bet against him being the first 3 star from the Corps. Imagine that, having a CDI that actually has an Int background? Nah, never happen.............
     
  10. Apologies for trespassing into your forum but... isn't the outgoing CGS a former Int Corps offr who transferred to the Paras after about 8 years?
     
  11. More like 8 weeks, the turncoat!!!
     
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  12. Just found this, seems he was capbadged Int for about 7 years!

    CGS Biography
     
  13. So we are in agreement then - if an Officer wants to be a general he has to leave the Int Corps. Thankyou.
     
  14. Not wanting to be a complete pedant, however, I think you'll find if an officer wants to be a General, or even Colonel for that matter, they technically leave whatever branch of the service they were in ("Late"). So its the same.
     
  15. I can think at least 1 CDI who was ex Corps and also 2 CDS (or was it CGS?) anyway, one of them..