Int Corps and the rest of the Army

Discussion in 'Int Corps' started by MissingUsername, Jun 11, 2012.

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  1. Evening all,

    sort of an informal question here - browsing the forums I seem to get the feeling that most other Corps and Units within the Army have a disdainful attitude towards the Int Corps. I was just wondering whether any members of the Int Corps could give me some insight into the rest of the Army's actual feelings towards you.

    I understand that some of you will try to put it all down to jealousy and so on; but what makes the Int Corps so hate-able to the rest of the Army (if they are hated, that is)?

    Maybe I'm just getting the wrong impression and it's actually just some form of harmless squaddie banter between units, but what do you guys think?

    Also, what is the general attitude of non-Int Corps personnel towards you as an individual - is it different in an Operational Theatre than a 'regular' posting, like here in the UK or Germany?

  2. The Corps is widely loved, admired and respected in pretty much equal parts. Durch.

    Actually, I never detected much animosity when I was serving, the usual squaddie banter and the occasional less-than-subtle accusation of homosexuality, plus endless riffs on 'snot hat' and green slime' - no real dramas. It's not as if we were scalies or monkeys, after all.
  3. I've never seen any real animosity on these boards, or in the real World.
    I've interacted with a fair few cap badges from combat through to CSS, and all have been fine.

    As with all banter/rivalries, etc, at base value it's simply a case of proving your worth by being good at your job. The fact that other cap badges aren't always aware of EXACTLY what your job is could perhaps throw shadows over it all.

    Why the question, if I may ask?
  4. I've been considering joining the Int Corps as an OPMI for a serious amount of time now and, having hoovered up and digested just about every single piece of information in the public domain about the Int Corps and the job it does, I just wanted to know a bit more about the more 'human' side to it, i.e other unit's opinions of the Int Corps and it's personnel.

    Is this also the case inside the Int Corps? Do you have to prove yourself to those within your own units aswel? Also, how is the rivalry between those within the Int Corps? If there is any, is it at a more larger scale, like Coy vs. Coy, if you will, or at a much smaller, individual level, e.g. you are trying to get ahead of those around you?
  5. Lol, some one mistakes Int for RMP.
  6. I'm not sure why it should be that relevant to you as a potential OPMI what anyone else thinks about the Corps. If you want to join a capbadge that is universally loved and admired throughout HM's Armed forces, the 5th Fantasia Unicorn Hussars may be recruiting.

    Your point about proving yourself should really ONLY apply to within your own unit - providing you can do your job and have enough credibility to not be regarded as a lunatic outside of it.
  7. Dunno really what you are talking about. The only person you have to prove yourself to is the person who writes up your ACR - he/she is called your superior officer, BTW. And much of what he or she writes will be based on your immediate superior's vision of how you are performing. You can bet your life that if you fail to pull your weight you'll not be in any doubt about it. On one occasion I offered a disappointing officer a one minute thinking-it-over-time as to whether or not he was going to either get aboard his career or get aboard the station bus. He looked at the phone in my hand and decided to stay... On a personal note, I never encountered any anti-Corps banter, slanging matches, piss-taking, downright nastiness or anything that you seem to be expecting to be normal.

    I just got on with my job and did it as well as I could, no matter what it was. I got from Private to WO2 in just over thirteen years, then got commissioned a year later and ended up as the CI of a school for my last five years.

    My thirty-one and a half years in the Corps must seem like child's play compared with what they get up to these days, so I'm of the opinion that if you are heading Int Corps-wards with an antagonistic POV to begin with you'll probably find all the trouble you seek. We are ALL smart-asses anyhow, that's why we are called the Intelligence Corps, and not the F&ckwits' Corps, and 'proving' it is what you do every day of your entire Army career.

    Personally I didn't then - and still don't even now - give the square root of f&ck-all about any bugger's opinion of me. I was generally held, by peers and superiors both, to be as mad as a bottle of Spam - all I know is that compared with some, I flew, so I must have been doing something right, even if I hadn't a clue what it was.

  8. Or even scalies-become-slime? Who would have thunked some would do that?
  9. Just remember that a pat on the back is a recce for a knife.

    On the other hand, as an OPMI you'll instantly be a member of the staff of whatever formation your first section supports and you'll have access to practically all the information the commander sees; you will play a role, however minor at first, in helping him make sense of it. Once you get your second tape and a couple of medals, mid-ranking officers will talk to you as a professional equal and view you as a subject matter expert whose views are worth listening to. As an OPMI SNCO they will often defer to your specialist knowledge and take your advice.

    I am not blowing smoke up your arse here: from personal experience I know that operations staff officers will respect your knowledge and experience even when they're fully aware that you're an insubordinate drunk who can barely climb out of bed without having a heart attack. All you have to do is prove you know what the **** you're talking about.
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  10. One of the best lines ever posted. Anywhere. Ever.
  11. The man who wrote my last CR will be happy to hear that.
  12. To be honest, my impressions were once you'd finished Phase 2, you'd just be a know-nothing brew-bitch that sat in the corner and let the grown ups do the talking. Whilst I'm sure there is quite a substantial element of that, however, you have actually given me great insight into what it's like for an OPMI to start off with.

    How long, generally, is it before an OPMI, fresh out of Phase 2, can be sent to an operational theatre, such as Afghanistan? I realise that major postings like these are needed in order to substantially move forward in your career and not get stuck in the 'system', however, can operational deployment to theatres be instant or do the powers that be prefer you to have done a more minor tour in order to increase your experience, knowledge etc.?
  13. That option is there if you want it. However if you throw away all the shit publications you'll get taught on at Chicksands, make use of your section's reference materials and build up a genuine knowledge of whatever real or exercise enemy you're facing - tactics, culture, equipment and all the rest - people will listen to you. The "grown ups" are your section OC, who is really there to sign your leave passes and apologise for missing/broken equipment, and the Sgt Major, who details troops to tasks and makes sure everything gets done.

    I'd barely made my new bed before I got told I was going to Bosnia. Wisdom teeth intervened and delayed that for a couple of months, but at the present tempo you can expect to get sand under your foreskin sometime during your first posting.
  14. How far up the chain of command could I be giving my input on a situation then? Also, how much does a 'situation' have to develop before information has to be referred upwards, or is it all the time? Also, how far upwards does the information have to be referred, usually?

    How much of a notice do you get before you are actually deployed then? Or is it another one of those how-long-is-a-piece-of-string conundrums? Also, I believe that there is 6 months pre-deployment training you must undergo before you can be shipped to the sand pit; any insights into what this is like? Is it catered depending on the individual's role, e.g. infantry have different pre-deploy. training to an OPMI, or is it all the same training?
  15. As a L/Cpl six weeks out of my A3 course at Ashford I was sent down to update the Bosnia map in the division commander's office. I was just finishing it up when he unexpectedly returned and asked for an impromptu brief.

    As much as you get. I had eight months' notice for Kosovo; for my second Bosnia tour I had three weeks. I know someone who got four days' notice that he was going to Bosnia and had to be on a plane on New Year's Day.

    In theory. The only time I ever did PDT it was done by my own unit and it was thoroughly tailored to our role.