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Institutional Cowardice

#1
I have been led to believe that there is a report in the Mail on Sunday (10 Oct 2004) that reports on a SPAM Officer accusing the British Army of Institutional Cowardice. Before my blood boils, has anybody seen this report?
 
#2
Joker said:
I have been led to believe that there is a report in the Mail on Sunday (10 Oct 2004) that reports on a SPAM Officer accusing the British Army of Institutional Cowardice. Before my blood boils, has anybody seen this report?
Just did an online search of the Mail on Sunday and The Sunday Mail, can't find it. Also tried to Google British Army of Institutional Cowardice and came back with nothing related.
 
#3
Yes I can confirm it

Page 9 Mail on Sunday..............Piece written by Jonathon Oliver

I will attempt to scan it and post :evil: :evil:

Edited at 20.40...............Complete computer Biffness has prevented me from doing the above. :roll:
 
#5
After reading it I am spiting feathers and none of them are white.
Lets pull all our troops home give them some R&R and then ask for volunteers to go and take back the americas.
Us cowards!! them with a president who never worked so hard as when he was keeping himself out of Vietnam.

pots and black comes to mind.

Tony get us out of this pact with the devil NOW
 
#6
Grumpy Old SWEAT said:
After reading it I am spiting feathers and none of them are white.
Lets pull all our troops home give them some R&R and then ask for volunteers to go and take back the americas.
Us cowards!! them with a president who never worked so hard as when he was keeping himself out of Vietnam.

pots and black comes to mind.

Tony get us out of this pact with the devil NOW
Well, what does it say?
 
#7
Basically the Spams have a difference of opinion with our Gen McColl about how we ought to handle 'fings darn souf'....................I would have typed the whole thing out but....................... 8) They reckon we are too 'Risk Averse' and they would not wish to blow up balloons for a British 'Didn't we do well party' :wink: A succinct review I'm sure you'll agree.
 
#8
Just because the americans have experience in 'war fighting' that suits their heavy handed aproach to things you must not forget that many of the wars they have experience in started out as support or limited engagements that got out of hand.

If they refuse to accept that the british have much more experience in limited or police action, and confuse the softly softly touch for cowardice, I'm all for leaving them to it.

If a country like the USA has a population that only 17% own passports and as such have very limited experience of the world, then they should at least take a little advice from the country that used to own most of it huh?
 
#9
The Mail on Sunday has learned that senior American officers have expressed fury at the softly-softly tactics of British forces. Yesterday a British military source revealed how the US had complained that the British tactics were too"risk averse". He added the "the Americans have lost hundreds of men in bloody fighting. They have accused us of allowing terrorists to create no-go areas in southern Iraq. It has become very acrimoious-they have even been heard to say we suffer from institutionalised cowardice"
 
#10
We could always point out that it was their institutional stupidity that got us involved in this bloody mess to start with.Did anyone see the Vietnam documentry earlier this week, the dum muppet fluffers are making exactly the same mistakes again.
 
#11
Sad thread this one. Unfortunate that rash comments from both factions can only serve to further the cause of the thugs the alliance is operating against.

US Army and Marine Corps personnel I had the opportunity to meet on their return from Iraq had nothing but praise for their British contemporaries. I think expressing anti American armed forces sentiment is as counter-productive as the American comment, reported in The Mail, condemning the Brits.

There appears to be frustration among the upper echelons in both camps regarding the manner in which the other is conducting the war in Iraq. I recall being extremely angry and frustrated in pre Motorman West Belfast in the early 1970s when short sighted policies created No-Go areas that afforded safe havens for PIRA/INLA. We directed our angst at the politicians who created the situation. Perhaps that's what is happening here.

All I know is that the vast majority of Americans whole heartedly support the troops American AND British engaged in operations in Iraq and Afghanistan (just ask the members of 1KOSB Pipes and Drums who recently completed a series of engagements in California and Colorado). I too hold them all in extremely high regard.
 
#13
The Yanks say we've lost 100s of troops like it's a badge of honour. Yeah, you lost them because you don't know how to conduct yourself in a situation like this. We have the experience at internal security, admittedly this is a hell of a lot different to NI, but still, I'd say we have the upper hand. Insitutionalised cowardice in Yank terms means we don't roll up on to a riot in Basra with Challenger & Warrior, blowing peoples homes & cities to bits doesn't win hearts & minds, the Yanks seem to have missed that lesson. When something needs doing, we do it surgically. I think this sums it up, our lads in Iraq are a scalpel, precise, quick & sharp. TheYanks are more like a hammer, powerful but blunt & clumsy.
 
#14
Threads like this should be recorded somewhere. Just waiting for the time someone tries to make a film about GWII whereby brave and heroic US forces prevail against evil Muslim hordes despite the foolhardy and universally plummy and cowardly British.

Looking some of the past films I'd not be surprised if they painted Abu Gharaib as run by Sadistic Brit officers a la "The Patriot".


C
 
#16
I think this is the piece you were looking for...

Copyright 2004 Associated Newspapers Ltd.
Mail on Sunday (London)

October 10, 2004

SECTION: STH1; Pg. 9

LENGTH: 332 words

HEADLINE: Americans accuse Britain of 'institutional cowardice'

BYLINE: JONATHAN OLIVER

BODY:
BRITISH ARMY chiefs were last night accused of 'institutionalised cowardice' by the US military as the crisis over Iraq deepened.

Following the death of Ken Bigley, fresh revelations of a rift between the Coalition commanders in the field will put new pressure on Tony Blair.

The Mail on Sunday has learned that senior American officers have expressed fury at the 'softly-softly' tactics of British forces. Yesterday a British military source revealed how the US had complained that the British tactics were too 'risk averse'. He added: 'The Americans have lost hundreds of men in bloody fighting. They have accused us of allowing terrorists to create no-go areas in southern Iraq. It has become very acrimonious they have even been heard to say we suffer from institutionalised cowardice.' The Mail on Sunday has learned that differences over tactics have led to stand-up rows between senior officers.

They centre on tensions between the officers in charge of the 9,500 British troops based in Iraq and officers of the US units stationed nearby, the Marine Corps and the 1st Cavalry Division.

It is understood that General John McColl, the top British commander in Iraq, has faced repeated calls to do more to help out his American allies. US chiefs are still angry that the British refused to fill the gap in Najaf created by the withdrawal of Spanish troops. Mr Blair considered sending up to 2,000 extra troops but the plan was abandoned.

The British are proud of their record policing their section of Iraq, where they have adopted a different approach to the Americans, stressing the importance of winning local 'hearts and minds'.

UK commanders believe that the Army's long experience in Northern Ireland and the Balkans has provided valuable peacekeeping tactics.

The Ministry of Defence denied any split, saying: 'We would strongly refute any suggestion of that nature. We have an excellent and long track record of working with our American allies.'
 
#18
The main thing that struck me when reading this article was:

'Never trust a Journo'.

Come on folks we all know how the quality press makes mistakes and reports things out of context to make a better story or political point.

This story is printed in the Daily Mail, Anti-Governmet, Anti American and usually full of utter bollox.

Lets not get worked up because a Jouno heard a US Soldier gripping in a dinner que (or wherever) and made up a story quoting 'senior Officers'.

Shame on you all for reacting to this and giving this journo the risk, hard-on, follow on for the story he wanted.
 
#19
Nice to see Sky News last night report to everyone who was watching, which road Brit convoy was taking towards Baghdad, how many troops would be involved, how many vehicles and even the type of vehicles to be used, have these ********* never heard of operational security, then again maybe the info was given to them by our dear old MOD or some other twattish government department :roll:
 

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