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installation tech or systems engineering tech

#1
Hi,

I want to apply for the royal signals as either an installation technician or a systems engineering technician. if you could give me any info on these and also good points bad points of the jobs it would be much appreciated.

i have read as much as i can find on these two jobs, but nothing really answers anything i want to know.

Thanks
 
#2
systems engineering technician
systems engineering technician
systems engineering technician
systems engineering technician


Every time, there is no other option if you can become one.
Go for it.


BG
 
#3
Sorry to all the Inst Techs/Mechs but I agree with Bowman_Guru. With the Systems Engineering Technician you could end up with an Honours Degree which will stand you in excellent stead when it comes to leaving the Army.

However the Installation Tech will give you an exciting and challeging trade skill that you can also take out into Civvie Street and would certainly be my second choice of the R Sigs trades.

Hope that helps

Jimima
 
#4
Techs (we) are the most hated trade in the sigs. I have been told that the two trades will be merging in the near future...so you can't go wrong.

Tom
 
#5
First off jamoo what are YOU like?

If you are quite practical you may prefer Inst Tech, as that it what pretty much all of the trade consists of.

There is a lot of theory involved in SysEngTech, and whole lot of maths.
 
#6
Tom_Thumb said:
Techs (we) are the most hated trade in the sigs. I have been told that the two trades will be merging in the near future...so you can't go wrong.

Tom
I believe that it the 'Sys Eng Tech' and 'IS Eng' that are merging! I think the telemechs are merging with the liney's to run the MT! I have heard that they are already training only one operator trade (ICS Operator)!
 
#9
smoojalooge said:
the sys eng tech and is eng ammalgamation is being fought against at the highest levels as it is to much work for one indivdual
Agreed but the engineering world has always been to big. We used to have loads of different Techs - RR, TE, Radio ..

This has been witled down to just a sys eng tech with a wide knowledge but nothing in depth !!

I think they should put them all under one umbrella Eng Tech (this with please the authorities) and then add the old brackets for (Systems) or (I.S.).

This way they are ammalgamated yet it is clearly defined who is pot FofS and who is pot IS Sup - unless they ammalgamate these ...I have heard FofS(IS) mentioned!
 
#10
Smoking_Sigs said:
smoojalooge said:
the sys eng tech and is eng ammalgamation is being fought against at the highest levels as it is to much work for one indivdual
Agreed but the engineering world has always been to big. We used to have loads of different Techs - RR, TE, Radio ..

This has been witled down to just a sys eng tech with a wide knowledge but nothing in depth !!

I think they should put them all under one umbrella Eng Tech (this with please the authorities) and then add the old brackets for (Systems) or (I.S.).

This way they are ammalgamated yet it is clearly defined who is pot FofS and who is pot IS Sup - unless they ammalgamate these ...I have heard FofS(IS) mentioned!
Well, most FofS want the IS role back anyway.
 
#11
Being more practically minded, would you suggest becoming an installation tech, over the systems engineering tech. I have started to lean that way, as it seems more in keeping with what I had in mind when first thinking about joining. I’m not really joining up to do a degree; I’ve tried that and only managed a HND.

Thanks for your help.
 
#12
Not neccesarily, just if you're practical. Bear in mind that there is a lot of theory involved in the training for tech, theory that you will be expected to use practically on the equipment you maintain. Inst Tech is a little less intense on theory.

Just out of curiosity have you spoken to the Careers Sgt in the careers office yet?
 
#14
jamoo said:
Being more practically minded, would you suggest becoming an installation tech, over the systems engineering tech. I have started to lean that way, as it seems more in keeping with what I had in mind when first thinking about joining. I’m not really joining up to do a degree; I’ve tried that and only managed a HND.

Thanks for your help.
Jamoo,

What subject is your HND in? With SysEngTech you are looking at HNC in Telecommunications with your Class 1 (Typically 5+ Yrs) - although I believe you can still qualify as a Class 1 tradesman without neccessarily attaining HNC standard. A pass in every core subject (at class 1) will give you 12 of the 14 units required if you wish to advance your qual to HND in your own time.

Following class 1 training, if you are selected for, & successfully complete Foreman of Signals (FofS) training, you can expect to become qualified up to BSc (Hons).

As an Inst Tech you will most probably be trained to BTEC level in Fibre Optics as well as a host of other industry recognised standards in related subjects such as structured cabling etc. This is the bread & butter of the TeleMech world. Although it isn't unheard of for one or two SysEngTechs to get these quals, it is a rarity & always specific to a particular job / post.

Hope this helps,

Steiner
 
#15
my HND was in Business Information Technology (merit), but i previously got a btec in computing (distinction), which was probably more relevant than the HND (i wish i'd joined up after the btec).

i have had my BARB test, they nearly crewed it up, cos i got a D in GCSE english they said i couldn't do my choices, they didn't take the HND into account, but i e-mailed the dignals recruitment directly and they said the HND covers it.
 
#16
Jamoo

I Know a Tech Sgt with a degree in IT, but he is the exception to the rule. Seriously, I think you might find yourself bored with the everyday routine of work in the Garages / Workshop. Have you considered a commission? If that's not a route you wish to follow, then maybe you could think about IS Eng or Intelligence Corps (Recruiting on a massive scale). Speak to your recruiter - if he / she isn't badged R. SIGNALS then ask to speak to one who is.

Best of luck

Steiner
 
#17
jamoo said:
my HND was in Business Information Technology (merit), but i previously got a btec in computing (distinction), which was probably more relevant than the HND (i wish i'd joined up after the btec).
I'd say that Inst Tech is better if you want to do network infrastructure, cable installation, fibre optic maintenance and telephony. Some Inst techs out there could probably

IS Engineer may be a good option which could be a natural progression from your Business IT HND - there is now a strong emphasis on the delivery of not just IT per se, but the applications and services it provides to the brainy chaps in charge - i.e. ok we can deliver ones and zeroes across the world but what information do we need to extract and present. The IS guy is supposed to be the authority on operating systems, server technologies, mail/web/app servers, databases, service management and more.

The Sys Engr Tech is the guru on the actual passage of those ones and zeroes - understanding radio theory, data comms circuits, network engineering architecture, electrical procedures and much more. All three are good trades with the potential for lots of job satisfaction and transferrable quals when you leave. Good luck.

PD
 
#18
All trades mentioned are good but another factor to consider is how far do you want to go in the army.

Both the IS Eng and Sys Eng Tech have the opportunity to stay in trade through the full rank range upto commission and even then they can be in trade upto Maj/Lt Col.

The Inst Tech will invariably get to SSgt then go SSM and do Admin, discipline and no trade!
 
#19
As a 'mech' your posting options are limited when compaired to a 'tech'. Also, the majority of your in trade career will be spent doing more or less the same thing but on a bigger scale as time goes by. As a tech you could be faced with a much wider (and I believe more interesting) variety of postings and challenges.
 

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