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Injury during POTL

#9
Throbbin, I can't see why either the MOD or your employer should be 'responsible' for something that seems to have occurred in your spare time. You are over 18 and they aren't your parents.

Its been restrained thus far but if you have any more questions, I'd get them in quick before the big boys find this thread and pull the wings off it.

Hope the knee gets fixed soon.
 
#10
I have sustained an injury during my POTL , that requires surgery , when informing RTMC they said its not there concern because i was fully fit when i had my Post medical , also my civvy job dont want me back until i am fully fit which is in a couple of weeks time when my POTL finishes .... so who do i come under .... MOD or civvy workplace , none of them seem to want to take responsibilty ... next steps any advice ...
If you've had your medical at chilwell then I believe that you do indeed fall into the "very ******* unlucky" category. Thats a very technical term.
 
#11
The fact that you became aware of the injury during POTL does not necessarily mean that the injury happened, or was primarily caused, during POTL.

It could have been caused, either completely or in part, by activity you were engaged in during mobilised service. Even if it had an immediate cause (eg, a rugby tackle, although that's an extreme example), it could also have an underlying cause which was triggered by activities on mobilised service.

While you are on POTL you are still a full-time employee of the MOD. You should also be entitled to access MOD medical care during that period. The fact that you have been through Chilwell does not affect that. Nor does the fact that this injury was not picked up at Chilwell: they don't do MRI scans there (not as a matter of course, anyway).

Just as any regular soldier would, you should do the following:

1. Make your chain of command aware of the injury and of the possibility that it may have been caused or contributed to by activity on mobilised service. Whether or not you do this is not a moral issue: it's to enable you to access the care to which you might be entitled.
2. If you have personal injury insurance, notify your insurer.
3. If you get no joy, engage with ambulance-chasing scum-sucking lawyer types. They have an ability to make the MOD cack their pants.

Even if you are now out of POTL, you should do steps 1 to 3 above.
 
#13
While you are on POTL you are still a full-time employee of the MOD. You should also be entitled to access MOD medical care during that period.
I'd suggest you follow Dr Evils advice. Has your injury been checked out by MOD or thats been done and now you're looking at who may possibly be paying for it?
 
#14
Hiya informed PAX , said if i couldnt pin point how , where , when injury happened they couldnt help me ....... dr. evil unfortunatly that is the only way out of what you have mentioned which i didnt want to do , but i might have to if i get no joy ...
 
#15
Theres a lad in my unit, who did something similar. The exact cause couldnt be identified but as he had gone through Chilwells demob medical, they basically said Foxtrot Oscar. He doesnt need an op but physio (which he paid for) which was for 6 to 8 weeks. Our unit had him in on MTDs until he was fit for work, which he starts back after the BH weekend.
 
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#16
Hiya informed PAX , said if i couldnt pin point how , where , when injury happened they couldnt help me ....... dr. evil unfortunatly that is the only way out of what you have mentioned which i didnt want to do , but i might have to if i get no joy ...
Are you looking for compensation or medical care?

Medical care comes via NHS, compensation is an entirely different matter.

Why do you want your workplace or MOD to accept responsibility? Your knee is injured you need an op, get it done and go back to work.

Quite how you would miss a torn cartilages, they are really quite painful and fairly obvious, you know swollen knee, difficulty walking, how did this just creep up on you?

Sounds like load of bollocks, but then I am not a Doctor or a Lawyer.
 
#17
The fact that you became aware of the injury during POTL does not necessarily mean that the injury happened, or was primarily caused, during POTL.


Spoken like a true (money grabbing, scum sucking, bottom feeding) lawyer....

He has already said this was not caused due to any military activity.

I am afraid this post has cost you any credibility you may have had on this forum as you are clearly more interested in f**king the MOD over for a compo claim than establishing the facts.

m-s-r
 
#18
Spoken like a true (money grabbing, scum sucking, bottom feeding) lawyer....

He has already said this was not caused due to any military activity.

I am afraid this post has cost you any credibility you may have had on this forum as you are clearly more interested in f**king the MOD over for a compo claim than establishing the facts.

m-s-r
Nice. My concerns are, in this order (most important first):

1. Ensuring that this bloke gets the treatment he needs, and is entitled to, as a current full-time employee of the MOD by getting him to engage with his chain of command so that the proper internal MOD systems can resolve his case.

2. If the MOD system will not engage (and I imagine it probably won't, on the basis that a quick tap on the knee at Chilwell means he was fully assessed), then my concern becomes forcing the MOD system to treat him. Having seen the MOD attempt to fck people over multiple times with the callousness and aggression of a Stasi official / the Computer Says No Lady, but having beaten them back on multiple occasions, I no longer shy away from confrontation with these guys.

3. Parallel with 2, ensuring that he takes the steps required to be treated, whether by the NHS or MOD.

4. Ensuring that this guy gets any insurance payout he might be entitled to, given that he has paid the damn premium. That's what insurance is for. Would you rather he got nothing and his payments went to the insurance company? Fine if he's not entitled, not so great if he is.

5. Last, informing him that he has a potential claim against the MOD - useful int for him, as a fallback plan in case the MOD spit him out of the system but leave him damaged but in the lurch.

Finally, as to credibility: you say "he has already said this was not caused due to any military activity". I mean no disrespect to Throbbin Hood, but his writing style is not that of a consultant orthopaedic surgeon. He says he has had his knee checked out but has not told us that he has had a specialist referral or, if he has, what the outcome was. So how does he know the cause of his injury? How do you?

Seriously, if you genuinely question my professional integrity on the basis that I recommend that, based on his story, this chap tries to get (or force) his TA chain of command to resolve a problem which is their responsibility to address I am shocked and disappointed.

This forum should have an auto-response: to any enquiry for info from a Tom, it should reply "Ask your PSI"; to any request for help, "Man up, wet pants." Come to think of it, it doesn't need one: there seems to be a cast of thousands who voluntarily provide that service. Smirk to lead?
 
#19
Having seen the MOD attempt to fck people over multiple times with the callousness and aggression of a Stasi official / the Computer Says No Lady
I probably wrote the computer system :)

And the answers don't include yes this was caused by duty or no it wasn't, it's possibly, maybe, most likely etc.

Anyway looking through the recent TAQ and the frequent (mental) health related articles, the DMS either are aware or suspect soldiers with illness/injury are slipping through the post tour medical.

a. def
 

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