injured during op telic, treated badly by mod

#1
i was crushed by a drops vehicle during op telic back in march 2003, when a driver took it upon himself to reverse without being guided and crushed my my left foot and ankle and removed a large chunk of my shin. 15 months later i still can't walk and am looking at the prospect of below the knee amputation. it looks as if i am going to be discharged in the near future but i have been disgusted by the way i have been treated by the mod. i was given no help or guidance, my nok where never informed of my injuries and only found out after i asked a nurse to contact the police to get in contact with them. for months i have battled with the mod about there care of duty to me and have received letters saying i was missed off the system and thats why i didn't get the help. i could go on for ages about the problems i have faced but for now i am trying to find out if there are others out there who have been treated badly by the mod and have felt let down. i would like to hear from you as i am trying to get evidence that alot of good soldiers are just dumped by the mod and to them we are just a number. how have you been treated whilst on the y list? i would like to hear if people have been happy with the help provided or not
 

chimera

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#5
Why are you being discharged? There are a number of serving soldiers and officers with lower leg amputations. Is this your choice or the medical systems? Why were your NOK not informed - have you had this investigated? People are not 'left off the system', with injuries like yours you would no doubt have been listed and aeromedded out of theatre, I find it hard to believe that your unit did not tell anyone that you had been injured. Did you not have access to a welfare phone? What particular aspect of your current treatment by the MOD concerns you? I don't think that the MOD will have any difficulty with duty of care arguments on a deployment so perhaps you could elaborate so others comment.
 
#7
No offence, and apologies if what you are saying is true...but I find it highly unlikely you were treated like that.

Methinks someone is tekkin the piss!
 
#8
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#9
to all the above people who question my story. why would i lie about the way i have been treated? to answer some of your questions yes i was areomed out of theatre to birmingham, but the signal that was sent to the alexander ward had my name and injury wrong(this maybe why my nok weren't informed) i have asked the mod to investigate this but to this day i have had no reply. as far as my unit and regt are concerned i have only had contact once when my oc rang to tell me i was selected for promotion. when my ex wife rang them they did know i had been injured. with the discharge this is the medical choice not mine. i know there are people in with amputations but i also know the army are getting rid of some of them aswell (i know these people as they have helped me). if some people think i am making this up they are sad at the end of the day i used to hear stories and think no that would never happen the mod wouldn't be like that, but i now know it does happen and know i am not the only one a fact the mod told me themselves. i am only trying to let people know that these things can and do happen and if i can help in a way to make sure people are aware it happens.
 
#10
I happen to know Colin and you idiots dare challenge his story. Mr PartTimePongo, in particular should be ashamed, are you supposed to be a moderator? I take it none of you actually are or have been in the army because you seem to have blinkered and ignorant opinions.

Colin, came here looking for people who may be able to offer advice or even help, and you idiots just mocked him. Very considerate, put yourselves in his situation (yes it is true) he was a keen and active soldier who enjoyed taking part in almost all sporting activities but now he can't walk!! How do you think that feels? Colin and his family have been badly treated and not offered any support whatsoever.

Colin came looking to his fellow colleagues for help and who did he get?. I think you should reflect on your comments made and imagine this happening to you.
Not nice a thought..... I think he deserves an apology.
 
#11
Another

From a serving soldier forgive our scepticism, but Colin's story is so full of failings that it beggars belief. If true I don't believe I've ever seen a situation of comparable multiple failure. If the military can do one thing right, it is care for our sick and injured. Our NOTICAS system is normally flawless. If Colin has been injured as described and left to rot without the support of the military system then he is entitled to shout it loud from the rooftops and have those who failed, savaged.

May I however, ask some questions? Has Colin spoken or written to his CO, or former CO if he is now on the Y list?

COs are honourable men, I do not believe that there is a CO in the British Army that is not going to look out for one of his soldiers in a situation like this? Imagine what will happen to him if it is found out that he has stood idly by whilst this horror story has unfolded.
 
#12
Try writing to the Tabloids................UMM maybe not!

As is often said U cannot ignore a letter. Write to your local MP. Write to the medical services. Especially your CO/OCs even your previous CO/OCs .Write too any one U think will listen.

I also agree with The Neanderthal, COs are looking for the next step on the ladder the same as the rest of us. if the powers that govern his/her career learn he/she has ignored a soldier like collins, with colins problems then Bye Bye next PIP.

I guess somtimes people slip thru the net, and that is a tragedy. May the powers that be roast in hell for that one :twisted:

But if you r lieing..........................May u suffer from "Colins Problems" forever more.
 
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error_unknown

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#13
I'm a mere civvy and often told I am too trusting - but I too have real trouble accepting this story is true...sorry :oops:
I suggest you pick up your phone and ring your boss.
Tell him clearly all you have told us and insist on an urgent meeting within 7 days.
Do not put the phone down until you have an appointment.
Ring the Confidential Support line and they WILL advise you.
http://www.army.mod.uk/soldierwelfare/supportagencies/confidential_support_line.htm
The CSL is a free service, operated by SSAFA, on the Army's behalf.
It offers totally confidential, non judgemental, guidance to the Army community, from anywhere in the World.
Let us know what happens mate.
 
#14
Another

"None of us appear to be in the Army because we are blinkered and ignorant"

Really?


Just about everyone on this thread who replied is serving Army or Army Reserve

We are sceptical, because there are elements in "Colin" 's story, that smell like a journalist looking for a bite.

Sometimes, Journalists will pose as other individuals and post in open forum, sometimes they will send a personal message , hoping to get the same result.

Arrse is visited by a lot of Journalists, some will visit, to see how we have reacted to stories posted in their publications, some just like to soak up the atmosphere , and there is a 3rd group, looking to use as "a military source"

Or of course, an Ambulance chaser.

"Colin" was hospitalised after a serious accident . Then he is informed that his NOK were not informed because he had "Dropped off the system"

How?

Chimera , as does Neanderthal sum up very well, why the rest of us are suspicious.

If "Colin" is the original injured party, then he knows to take this through the Chain of Command.

If this is a genuine case, I stress if, then all we can offer on this open forum , is tut-tut noises and "Hope it goes well mate"

I think any other comment or advice offered in open forum, will lead to problems. ESPECIALLY naming or supplying the names of Soldiers who may have an axe to grind about the way they feel they have been treated following injury

"Colin" I expect someone way more qualified than me, may ping you privately to sound you out.

At that point "Another" an apology and sincere noises will be in order.

However, Arrse is not the place, to drum up support for a possible legal action against MOD

Sincerely

PTP
 
#15
Fair one, just in off the pop, but sober enough to react with disgust to this thread. I'm trying to find out via my mucker grapevine whether or not such an accident happened...however

I for one believe the bloke. PtP, have you ever been deployed, or does the extent of your experience encompass just the occasional w/end or camp? Your 'advice' is vague and entirely unhelpful, which leads me to suspect the latter. Either way, be aware that the system is quite capable of a f*ck up (as I discovered belatedly after one of our blokes chose to top himself), and stand clear of judgement until you know the facts for sure.

Manchester Cop. Confused, as are many others, by your identity. Civpop rozzer or RMP; I think we ought to be told. If indeed you are one of our much appreciated monkey brethren then well done for an entirely crass series of comments which belie your supposed status as a commissioned Occifer.

[/quote]I guess somtimes people slip thru the net, and that is a tragedy. May the powers that be roast in hell for that one
Too right.
 
#16
Could there really have been serious failures in the Fd Hosp patient tracking system, NOTICAS, aeromed, RAMP and RCDM/MDHU, all at the same time, not to mention subsequent failures at regtl level, the Y list and MAO(CH)?

I consider myself able to comment because I have deployed, done many aeromed flights and worked in Fd Hosps and MDHUs. I also work with NOTICAS and cas procedure. Though I remain sceptical that an individual could fall through so many parts of the system, I can also check this story out, and will make some enquiries on Mon.
 
#17
Gizzit

Firstly Monkey's comments have been deleted.

The advice offered , was not at Colin"' current problems, but to members to be careful until more details could be gained of this particular case.

This is from Colin's first post, and is what caused most of the adverse reaction , certainly from my POV.

but for now i am trying to find out if there are others out there who have been treated badly by the mod and have felt let down. i would like to hear from you as i am trying to get evidence that a lot of good soldiers are just dumped by the mod and to them we are just a number. how have you been treated whilst on the y list? i would like to hear if people have been happy with the help provided or not
That sounded just like a trawl.

When we see a question like that, the first thought in a lot of peoples' minds is "Journalist"

We are sceptical, because there are elements in "Colin" 's story, that smell like a journalist looking for a bite.

Sometimes, Journalists will pose as other individuals and post in open forum, sometimes they will send a personal message , hoping to get the same result
However, as there is a good chance Colin is genuine, especially in the light of further detail he provided in his 2nd post....

"Colin" I expect someone way more qualified than me, may ping you privately to sound you out.
I have already asked a more qualified individual to speak to Colin privately, we'll see if some progress can be made from there. Hopefully Colin is willing to provide more facts privately.

My advice to "Another" was vague , and Colin explained in his second post what happened with the chain of command route . The bulk of any advice offered, and my explanation to "Another" was aimed at Arrse posters to be wary, just in case.

Something which Colin, if he is genuine, I hope will understand .
 
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error_unknown

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#18
Colin... be inspired.....be very inspired...
A Royal Marines officer who was badly injured in a 1,000ft climbing fall has become the first Commando to return to operational service with an artificial leg after he asked doctors to amputate his limb.
Capt Jim Bonney, 26, faced having to leave the Royal Marines and the loss of an active life, including a love of canoeing and climbing, after the fall while on an adventure training exercise in Alaska three years ago.
"I've got my life back," Capt Bonney said at the Royal Marines Commando Training Centre at Lympstone, Devon, where he has undergone intensive rehabilitation. "It has been worth all the effort".
The operation was carried out in December 2002 and 14 months later Capt Bonney, passed the annual combat fitness test. He completed an eight-mile run in boots and full kit, including 25kg in a bergen rucksack, in one hour 53 minutes. Royal Marines have to do it in two hours.
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2972012
http://www.ossur.com/template1.asp?pageid=375
also..
WILLIAM LYONS A Royal Marines captain who had part of his leg amputated is to become a landing craft officer following his return to front-line duties.
Having briefly chatted with you Colin and asking what it is you need the army to do for you that they are not already doing- you say only to not let it happen again.
If the MOD are doing all they can for you don't waste your energy looking backwards....get the leg sorted out, get well, get strong and get the most you can out of your life.
Colin You can overcome
 
#19
I can understand some still remain sceptical. Some have even raised the same questions that Colin himself would like answers to. With the exception of Susie, most of you will understand that it is not as simple as demanding answers from the boss. When you are Y listed, who is your CO for example, this isn't a clear cut as you might think.

Once you challenge, watch the umbrella's and closing of ranks, pointing of fingers etc. Individuals within the MoD tend to be exceptionally defensive, particularly when they have failed in their duty of care. I would strongly advise all those in the army to research the procedures and see what is supposed to happen (for your own good). Check out the casualty reporting procedures, it even tells you what can go wrong it the procedure fails (I think you then understand Colin's situation) Worth noting the protective marking of the document!

Colin isn't in the position to answer any of the questions that you have raised (he was on the receiving end) despite numerous attempts by him and civilian organisations writing to Div and Regt CO level, these questions remain unanswered.

My point here is purely to help you understand Colin's plight... He is very much frustrated and disappointed by his treatment. As I'm sure you can appreciate this is taking it's toll on his mental state. Colin, is actually crying out for help here!! It's bloody hard seeing him struggling, not only the physical but not getting the answers to the questions.

Can you all please just accept that this has happened for Colin's sake. And if anyone has some positive advice that they can offer, I'm sure Colin will appreciate it.

Thanks
 
#20
Mr Another,
Read the above posts and in between all sceptism I think You might find some advice.
 

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