It'll be interesting how the Grenadier competes, especially with a £30-45,000 price tag.
As @giatttt says . . . .Classic ploy to get concessions from council/government - it'll be built in the UK once he's happy - standard negotiation tactic.
Honda have a spare factory in Swindon....As @giatttt says . . . .
Something of a nuanced argument, whether “Money is (not) everything” !!
How much cash would be involved, when, for how long and where, do you re-train 500 hairy-knuckled Welshmen, who have been used to casting, milling, assembling and torqueing-down Ford’s engines?
The car assembly workers at the Mercedes (former SMART) factory in France, are already familiar with the car assembly processes and requirements.
Yer' man Ratcliffe, is very much an “Internationalist”, if not exactly “European” . . . as I am certain INEOS would like their new Grenadier to be regarded!! Axles from the tractor maker in Italy. Engines from BMW. Engineering advice and expertise from Europe.
Daimler will also be keen to avoid redundancy payments, and the costs associated with decommissioning and decontaminating their site in France . . . if no buyer can be found.
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Just found the following . . . . !Posted in the New DEFENDER thread, and in the INEOS thread.
DO NOT (YET) BUY A NEW DISCOVERY 5 . . . the price of the existing new vehicles will soon be reduced to “move” existing stock, and after the “face-lift” who knows ?!
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Published by AUTOCAR magazine, on 08 JULY 2020.
Our innovator STURMEY AWARD winner - GERRY McGOVERN long-serving design director at Land Rover.
We talk about the Discovery, the current design he agrees hasn’t been as successful as the rest.
Jerry McGovern (page 43) “I think I allowed myself – and the team – to be too influenced by the established visual DNA of previous Discoverys, stuff like the offset number plate and stepped roof . . . (it does) have a massive rear quarter . . . our facelift, which is imminent, will make changes that improve it significantly . . . “
It is clear, however, that McGovern thinks the next all-new Discovery, probably four years away, will provide an opportunity for real change.
Jerry McGovern (page 43) “We won’t alter its breadth of capability,” he says, “but we’ll make sure it’s perfectly differentiated from the Range Rover and that’ll optimise its appeal”.
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A bit of Fred Drift but... Have you seen ‘Land Rover Pivotal’Just found the following . . . . !
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Enhanced offers available on selected Discovery vehicles, up to £8,500 Finance Deposit Allowance and APR 3.9%.
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Similar "discount" on "full-fat" Range-Rover, but with higher 5.9% APR, and - of course - totally market position/price category.
Plenty of Tier 1s in this country could provide the expertise and capacity.Honda have a spare factory in Swindon....
| EPISODE 5: POWERED FOR THE WORLD|
|Whatever job you want the Grenadier to do, having all the power you need on tap is vital. Rugged terrain, heavy loads, the harshest conditions – our engine and transmission combination is designed to handle anything you can throw at it. What else would you expect from a no-nonsense off-roader built for the world? Ploughing on with work, enjoying a hobby, getting off road for some serious action – how you utilise it is up to you. Ready to lift the bonnet and see what’s underneath?|
Because there was a clear business case for taking over an existing factory and experienced workforce?Is the grenadier legal under European safety rules? I though the reason the defender died a death was that it couldn't match them? Don't get why they would build this in France...
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I have not seen this "spelt-out", in words of one syllable, but it would be a daft business proposition if the Grenadier were not approved for markets world-wide; and, I am certain the likes of BMW, would NOT be supplying major components to a vehicle that was unsafe!Is the Grenadier legal under European safety rules?
Correct. But, whilst the lay-out, architecture (separate frame), may be similar, there is nothing in common between the old JLR Defender, and the new INEOS Genadier.I though the reason the defender died a death was that it couldn't match them?
Money . . . £ . . . $ . . . . Euro . . . whatever . . .Don't get why they would build this in France . . .
I am not sure (just) "making a profit", was Ratcliffe's intial motivation. He is wealthy enough, to indulge his own whims, and fueled by alcoholic conversations in the Grenadier pub, set-out to see if he could succeed where JLR did not want to go! And, having proved the "Business Plan" on paper and spread-sheets, one thing led to another.Because there was a clear business case for taking over an existing factory and experienced workforce?
Whatever you think might have motivated his pro-Brexit stance, maximising profit is Ratcliffe's primary motivation.