INEOS Grenadier 4X4

My Sister had one years ago.....best heater of any vehicle I've ever been in.......probably helped by the fact it had a Fiat twin cam engine fitted..... it was called "Ivan" predictably enough
What!! You don’t mean the 1800 Miafiori engine out of the 132 ? If so, that must have gone like fcuk. A mate built a trike years ago with one! Mental!
 
What!! You don’t mean the 1800 Miafiori engine out of the 132 ? If so, that must have gone like fcuk. A mate built a trike years ago with one! Mental!
TBH not a clue ...... but she and her husband have always been involved in stage rallying and this was around the time of the Lada challenge ( RWD ones) and a few were converted to twincam power .....this may well have been a "chase" car at some point .
She had various road cars that would and did embarrass many a boy racer ....especially when a tall slim blonde got out . I think an escort mexico with a full race Burton cross flow on 45's..... 2WD Sierra Cosworth , 4wd Cossie , to name a few ...all road cars but far from standard.
 
Jimny’s are dreadful on the road.
They are, especially with knobbly tyres. I have a pick up conversion and anything above 35 mph is horrific. However, this winter it has been a lifesaver for feeding the cattle. With its light footprint it made my Navara redundant, they are a tool, not a 'drivers' car.
 
They are, especially with knobbly tyres. I have a pick up conversion and anything above 35 mph is horrific. However, this winter it has been a lifesaver for feeding the cattle. With its light footprint it made my Navara redundant, they are a tool, not a 'drivers' car.
It’s easy to forget though that outside the UK many 4x4s that are tools also have to cover significant road distances between off road usage. Or they spend a lot of time on unsurfaced roads.

One of my main tests in choosing a 4x4 is how it rides at speed on heavily corrugated dirt roads. 100km on such tracks in a Jimny is horrible.
 
It’s easy to forget though that outside the UK many 4x4s that are tools also have to cover significant road distances between off road usage. Or they spend a lot of time on unsurfaced roads.

One of my main tests in choosing a 4x4 is how it rides at speed on heavily corrugated dirt roads. 100km on such tracks in a Jimny is horrible.
You make a very good point wrt my rather UK centric view of 4x4s. I was rather clumsily trying to say that my Jimney is looked upon, and used the same as a tractor, or quad. I bought it for its off road ability, as a car it is shit.
The Navara is great, it has to wear a number of hats, from school run bus to night out conveyance via fencing truck, agmerchant delivery, cattle box towing etc. It does, however, make a horrendous mess in the wet.
 
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Interesting review here. I am not sure whether a car is being reviewed, or an IT system. An earlier poster made an excellent point about this being a potential issue in remote or poorly developed areas. I was particularly struck however by the (admittedly short) review's lack of focus on the vehicle - drive, storage, range, etc.
 
You make a very good point wrt my rather UK centric view of 4x4s. I was rather clumsily trying to say that my Jimney is looked upon, and used the same as a tractor, or quad. I bought it for its off road ability, as a car it is shit.
The Navara is great, it has to wear a number of hats, from school run bus to night out conveyance via fencing truck, agmerchant delivery, cattle box towing etc. It does, however, make a horrendous mess in the wet.
Done a six hour drive in my old Prado today, all on road. Not the most comfortable of drives!.
 
Have you heard anything about the Shogun/Prado Sport ?
You mean Shogun / Pajero? Prado is the “baby” Landcruiser that’s sold as a Landcruiser in the UK. Here, we can still buy the full size V8 cruiser; a big beast.

The Shogun Sport is a Triton ute (not sure what it’s called in the UK) with an SUV body. Like all of the twincab based SUVs its very compromised on the road because it has cart springs and live axles. Off road, it’s like all twincabs; limited ramp over angle because it’s wheelbase is long and similarly compromised departure angle. Great towing vehicle though.
 
You mean Shogun / Pajero? Prado is the “baby” Landcruiser that’s sold as a Landcruiser in the UK. Here, we can still buy the full size V8 cruiser; a big beast.

The Shogun Sport is a Triton ute (not sure what it’s called in the UK) with an SUV body. Like all of the twincab based SUVs its very compromised on the road because it has cart springs and live axles. Off road, it’s like all twincabs; limited ramp over angle because it’s wheelbase is long and similarly compromised departure angle. Great towing vehicle though.
Thanks for your reply. The towing ability is the important bit for me, I don't need any more off road ability than the Navara has, and seven seats would be very handy.
 

cymraeg

War Hero
Thanks for your reply. The towing ability is the important bit for me, I don't need any more off road ability than the Navara has, and seven seats would be very handy.
You can still get decent troopers for a couple of grand if you don't mind an older vehicle. 7 seats fairly civilised on and off road , parts are cheap and its easy to work on ( ball joints for example just bolt on/off no need for presses) , they are cavernous with seats folded and plated to tow 3.5 ton.
 
Thanks for your reply. The towing ability is the important bit for me, I don't need any more off road ability than the Navara has, and seven seats would be very handy.
If it's towing ability you need that rules out any new 7 seater available in the UK with the name Toyota on it....

Only the Hilux can tow 3.5 ton ...... something Toyota UK are not interested in changing and when asked suggested that I do a personal import on a 75 series or 200 series ....neither of which they would stand the 5 year warranty on.

I have owned various Hilux and Landcruisers but now will never buy a new Toyota again because they don't import a single vehicle I want to buy
 
Thanks for your reply. The towing ability is the important bit for me, I don't need any more off road ability than the Navara has, and seven seats would be very handy.
I don’t think any of the Japanese 7 seat SUVs based on a truck chassis (ie Toyota Fortuner, Mitsubishi Pajero Sport or Isuzu MUX) can tow 3500 kg. The Pajero Sport is 3100. The others are under 3 ton.
 
Pajero/Shogun sport can tow 3.5 with a 3 axle trailer I understand.
Maybe. I checked the manufactures Aussie websites; the loads may be different. I didn’t include the Nissan Pathfinder before and that’s 3100 here.

Changing the subject, done just shy of 300 km on gravel roads today in SWMBOs Discovery Sport today. Very seriously impressed; fast (often hitting 100 kph), fun (gently and controllably drifts) and very relaxing. If we’d done that in the old Prado we’d be shaken, stirred and knackered. Top marks for the paddle shifts; never use them on proper roads, but on fast, undulating tracks with regular floodways they really work.
 
For all those looking forward to driving a smart new British Grenadier, it might just turn out to be rather more Smart than you expected. Smart enough to eat cheese and surrender.

Classic ploy to get concessions from council/government - it'll be built in the UK once he's happy - standard negotiation tactic.
 

giatttt

Old-Salt
Classic ploy to get concessions from council/government - it'll be built in the UK once he's happy - standard negotiation tactic.
Doubt it, if there is a full equipped car factory with staff that can do the assembly, then why start from scratch. Factory aside there is the no insignificant matter of training the staff and then having them learn on the job as they start building their first ever vehicles with all the QC nightmares that would bring.

It makes sense in that it de-risks the project.
 

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