INEOS Grenadier 4X4

I thought the UK spec Raptor was just a badge and lift kit.....but why take out a 3.2 V6 and fit a little diesel ????
View attachment 486703
This is what I think of when people talk about Raptors......
I think Ford are trying to lever off the F150 Raptor in countries where it’s just too big. A few of the big American trucks make it here, with an expensive RHD conversion but not many. The Ranger Raptor is a halo product; it’s never going to sell in big numbers because it’s too expensive and that lower payload precludes it being a commercial vehicle.

The “little” diesel develops more power and more torque than the 3.2 V6. It’s torque is an impressive 500Nm.

I reckon an Everest Raptor would fly out of the showrooms. Same spec, just the SUV body instead of the truck.
 
Just been out in my 48 year old Triumph. It didn't break down....today
Stag my father owned in 70s is still MOTd and in use. Saw a same colour one on road last week too

A mate has a rare 1981/2 Audi Coupe GT5S (quad headlight like early Quattro) in need of restoration for sale. Anyone interested?
 
The big buyers of 4x4s including LR Defenders, are not farmers but yuppies and nouveau rich pretending to be adventurous offroaders.

We have at least 3 regulars round here, one with a white 110, one with a black 110 fully tricked up with sand boards etc etc and a third one also in black with lots of chrome.

All of them are cleaner than my MX5 and I've not seen any of them with even the smallest speck of mud on them. The new Defender will be aimed at the yummy mummy and nouveauu rich again because that's where the sales and profit are.
But the kudos
Stag my father owned in 70s is still MOTd and in use. Saw a same colour one on road last week too

A mate has a rare 1981/2 Audi Coupe GT5S (quad headlight like early Quattro) in need of restoration for sale. Anyone interested?
If it was the Quattro people would be offering serious money for it in most conditions. They look surprisingly small compared to modern cars
 
Published by: Tom Morgan, AUTOCAR magazine, on 08 June 2020.

2021 Ineos Grenadier: first prototype caught testing in disguise.

First sighting of prototype shows rugged 4x4 has classic design inspired by Land Rover Defender.


The soon-to-be-unveiled Ineos Grenadier has been seen for the first time in revealing spy shots of a disguised prototype.

Caught at what looks like a top-secret UK testing facility, it's the first sighting of the back-to-basics 4x4 ahead of anticipated reveal in the coming weeks.

Although we knew that this would be an uncompromising off-road car developed in the mould of the original Land Rover Defender, the images confirm that car's boxy exterior provides heavy inspiration. From the front, we can also see a likeness to early versions of the Mercedes-Benz G-Wagen.

The clearest Defender inspiration is at the front, where the Grenadier appears to share the same round headlights and horizontal bar grille design. The rear gives less away; the prototype has no back windows, suggesting either heavy disguise or that this is a commercial variant of some sort.

Earlier this year, a series of behind-the-scenes videos were released on the Ineos website ahead of a supposedly imminent a full debut for the rugged 4x4. Viewers were given an in-depth look at the Grenadier's box-section ladder frame chassis and beam-axle front-and-rear suspension. Both have long been staples of dedicated off-road vehicles, and Ineos is looking to continue that tradition.

View attachment 480414

“A ladder frame is the only way to build a proper off-road vehicle 4x4,” said chief engineer for vehicle integration Andreas Albrecht. “We are not using a monocoque, because we are not building an SUV.”

The video is also interspersed with vehicles tackling rough terrain across the globe. The original Land Rover Discovery, which also sat atop a ladder chassis and used beam axles, appears to show much influence on the Grenadier's development.

he first car built by the British company, owned by chemicals magnate Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the Grenadier is set to be an uncompromised off-roader.

Ineos has already confirmed that it will use BMW's latest 3.0-litre straight-six petrol and diesel engines and will be manufactured at a new factory in Bridgend, Wales.

Engineering firm Magna Steyr, responsible for producing the Mercedes-Benz G-Class, Jaguar I-Pace and Toyota GR Supra, will assist in bringing the 4x4 to series production.

The Grenadier is expected set to go on sale to customers in early 2021.

View attachment 480415

View attachment 480416

Re. the body of the Grenadier, I didn't realise that Jaguar Landrover tried retrospectively to copyright the Landrover shape, back to the 1948 model. It went to court and they lost (obviously, looking at the Grenadier :))

 
Last edited:

Dr Death

War Hero
The Double Cab version looks good & can take a euro pallet.
Nice article in current Auto Express No.1633 Issue.

But the New Defender Hard Top looking impressive too.
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
I've been following this since I first heard about it last year and a bit disappointed tbh.

I was hoping for something a bit smaller and not £40k!! I could get 2 pinz gauers for that and still have change.

I thought the idea was to have a simple, mostly mechanical (easy maintenance/repair at home) stripped down basic working vehicle?

On the upside it's nice to have the option of a truck with a station wagon body and look forward to the camper conversions!

Someone needs to start churning out the spiritual successor to the original Jeep.
A mate has one of these for belting around the tracks and fields with his mutts shotguns and tools
no complaints so far
 

itchy300

Old-Salt
A mate has one of these for belting around the tracks and fields with his mutts shotguns and tools
no complaints so far

They have caught my eye, I've seen quite a few about and they seem usable in normal life aswell.

Friend of mine has an old Vitara he paid £200 for and it's on its 2nd year of hard use and my brother had a Cleo van with off road tyres on! Was so small and light it wouldn't get stuck no matter what.
 

Dr Death

War Hero
Jimny so light and makes a good off roader but suggest a full roll cage for safety.
Not good on MPG but can go places the Defender can not go.
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
They have caught my eye, I've seen quite a few about and they seem usable in normal life aswell.

Friend of mine has an old Vitara he paid £200 for and it's on its 2nd year of hard use and my brother had a Cleo van with off road tyres on! Was so small and light it wouldn't get stuck no matter what.
My mate owns a fair bit of land,he also needs to get around to make sure the pikeys have not been visiting, bought the Suzuki new earlier this year, as he has mobility problems and the quad bike was killing his legs, seems to go everywhere you want, and a quick wash with the hose and into the local dealers for a service
he avoids pressure washers as they damages seals and valves
Also owns a Skoda Scout for tugging trailers, and a series 2 in the barn as a keepsake, he cant bear to part with it
I fitted a tracker to it, in case it gets pinched, also his wife can see where he is , in case anything happens to him
he wont carry a mobile phone the daft old sod
 

itchy300

Old-Salt
The Skoda scouts are excellent, I've had 2 non-scout Skoda estates and they're a decent reliable car with bags of space in the back. Much to the annoyance of my old man with the various Discoverys he's had which are tall but not very wide or deep
 
They have caught my eye, I've seen quite a few about and they seem usable in normal life aswell.

Friend of mine has an old Vitara he paid £200 for and it's on its 2nd year of hard use and my brother had a Cleo van with off road tyres on! Was so small and light it wouldn't get stuck no matter what.
Jimny’s are dreadful on the road.
 

itchy300

Old-Salt
Jimny’s are dreadful on the road.

Fortunately I live 10 minutes on the road from where I shoot so wont make much difference but the jimny is a bit too small for me anyway I think.

I did look at dusters and Skoda yetis but they're daft money for what they are
 
They have caught my eye, I've seen quite a few about and they seem usable in normal life aswell.

Friend of mine has an old Vitara he paid £200 for and it's on its 2nd year of hard use and my brother had a Cleo van with off road tyres on! Was so small and light it wouldn't get stuck no matter what.
Had a early vitara (which was really a 410 with wider wheel base which i used as an off roader - proper low box -
The only real issues were it was tiny inside* - If water got in it stayed in as it had high sills (hole was drilled in floor to sort that) and the aforementioned - less ground clearance than a landie so there were a couple of places where ruts or breakover angle stopped it but not them - It did however do best part of 40 mpg on the road.



*But weighed the same as a series 3
 
A mate has one of these for belting around the tracks and fields with his mutts shotguns and tools
no complaints so far
Mini G Waggon .....;-)
Thought about getting one for the wife to use as a runaround and dog walking car to save her Merc Estate interior
as she won't use the 80 series .
 

4(T)

LE
Mini G Waggon .....;-)
Thought about getting one for the wife to use as a runaround and dog walking car to save her Merc Estate interior
as she won't use the 80 series .

You'll end up using it yourself all the time - its the fun of mini-motoring.
 
Lada Niva, I had one in the early nineties. Never let me down, always started even when buried in snow! Didn’t go a lot of off roading in it, but it surprised me with it agility.
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
Lada Niva, I had one in the early nineties. Never let me down, always started even when buried in snow! Didn’t go a lot of off roading in it, but it surprised me with it agility.
Millions of them in France, well I might exaggerate a bit, but Lada are part of the Renault group
you see them everywhere in rural France
 
Lada Niva, I had one in the early nineties. Never let me down, always started even when buried in snow! Didn’t go a lot of off roading in it, but it surprised me with it agility.
My Sister had one years ago.....best heater of any vehicle I've ever been in.......probably helped by the fact it had a Fiat twin cam engine fitted..... it was called "Ivan" predictably enough
 

Latest Threads

Top