INEOS Grenadier 4X4

There is mention of the INEOS Grenadier, within a number of other threads . . . usually devoted to Land-Rover.

However, for the long-term - and, as we are likely to hear more about the Grenadier - it was thought appropriate to start a dedicated INEOS Grenadier thread . . ;) .

 
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Episode TWO . . . .

Suspension: tried and tested performance

The Grenadier needs to take even the toughest terrain in its stride. We’re using a multi-link suspension set-up with separate coils and dampers, so you get maximum traction and articulation, wherever you’re working . . .

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Heavy-duty for heavy going
The reinforced dampers, made by leading German automotive manufacturer, ZF, can take a real beating.

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With lots more "added goodness" at . . . .

 
Ok, I know it’s early days but can I be the first to chuck a brick in the pond and ask if this would make a possible LUV for the army? Or maybe just for 1st Bn Grenadier Guards.
 
Ok, I know it’s early days but can I be the first to chuck a brick in the pond and ask if this would make a possible LUV for the army? Or maybe just for 1st Bn Grenadier Guards.
Depends on the general perception of what is a Light Utility Vehicle (LUV), and what would be required of it.


+ If an LUV, is acknowledged and accepted (as was the original Land Rover), to be an unarmoured, zero-protection, go-anywhere, type of transport for use in moving troops and equipment, within a generally "safe" benign area/environment . . . YES.

That is the requirement, that even the run-out Defender specification, would have satisfied.


+ If an LUV, is required to provided armoured protection, from small-rounds and IED blast . . . NO.

For that we seemingly require what is basically a commercial-articulated-vehicle, chassis and engine (less its normal cab), surmounted by an up-armoured body . . . equivalent to a front-line APC/IFV . . . and, supplied at an extravagantly inflated list-price.
 
Episode THREE . . . .

Rising to the challenge

Building a brand-new 4X4 is no easy feat — especially during lockdown. Despite restrictions, we're pushing ahead with developing the Grenadier to keep the whole project on track. In this episode, Mark Evans catches up with some of the team to bring you the very latest progress updates.



 
Published by: Tom Morgan, AUTOCAR magazine, on 08 June 2020.

2021 Ineos Grenadier: first prototype caught testing in disguise.

First sighting of prototype shows rugged 4x4 has classic design inspired by Land Rover Defender.


The soon-to-be-unveiled Ineos Grenadier has been seen for the first time in revealing spy shots of a disguised prototype.

Caught at what looks like a top-secret UK testing facility, it's the first sighting of the back-to-basics 4x4 ahead of anticipated reveal in the coming weeks.

Although we knew that this would be an uncompromising off-road car developed in the mould of the original Land Rover Defender, the images confirm that car's boxy exterior provides heavy inspiration. From the front, we can also see a likeness to early versions of the Mercedes-Benz G-Wagen.

The clearest Defender inspiration is at the front, where the Grenadier appears to share the same round headlights and horizontal bar grille design. The rear gives less away; the prototype has no back windows, suggesting either heavy disguise or that this is a commercial variant of some sort.

Earlier this year, a series of behind-the-scenes videos were released on the Ineos website ahead of a supposedly imminent a full debut for the rugged 4x4. Viewers were given an in-depth look at the Grenadier's box-section ladder frame chassis and beam-axle front-and-rear suspension. Both have long been staples of dedicated off-road vehicles, and Ineos is looking to continue that tradition.

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“A ladder frame is the only way to build a proper off-road vehicle 4x4,” said chief engineer for vehicle integration Andreas Albrecht. “We are not using a monocoque, because we are not building an SUV.”

The video is also interspersed with vehicles tackling rough terrain across the globe. The original Land Rover Discovery, which also sat atop a ladder chassis and used beam axles, appears to show much influence on the Grenadier's development.

he first car built by the British company, owned by chemicals magnate Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the Grenadier is set to be an uncompromised off-roader.

Ineos has already confirmed that it will use BMW's latest 3.0-litre straight-six petrol and diesel engines and will be manufactured at a new factory in Bridgend, Wales.

Engineering firm Magna Steyr, responsible for producing the Mercedes-Benz G-Class, Jaguar I-Pace and Toyota GR Supra, will assist in bringing the 4x4 to series production.

The Grenadier is expected set to go on sale to customers in early 2021.

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Episode TWO . . . .

Suspension: tried and tested performance

The Grenadier needs to take even the toughest terrain in its stride. We’re using a multi-link suspension set-up with separate coils and dampers, so you get maximum traction and articulation, wherever you’re working . . .

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Heavy-duty for heavy going
The reinforced dampers, made by leading German automotive manufacturer, ZF, can take a real beating.

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With lots more "added goodness" at . . . .

Front axle set up bears a strong resemblance to the Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ
Nothing wrong in that, it was a very good set up, difference being the ZJ was a monocoque.

Co-indecently, european market ZJ's were built be Magna Steyr in Austria......

It would appear that Ineos are cherrypicking the best design elements from all sorts of manufacturers. If they get it right it will be pretty cool.
 
Published by: Tom Morgan, deputy digital editor, AUTOCAR magazine, on 30 June 2020.

2021 Ineos Grenadier: rugged 4x4 to be revealed tomorrow.

Recent sighting of prototype shows off-roader has classic design inspired by Land Rover Defender.

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Ineos will unwrap its hotly anticipated Grenadier off-roader on Wednesday 1 July, just days after a production-spec prototype was spotted for the first time.


Revealing spy shots earlier this month showed a disguised prototype testing at what looked like a top-secret UK testing facility.

Although we knew that this would be an uncompromising off-road car developed in the mould of the original Land Rover Defender, the images confirm that car's boxy exterior provides heavy inspiration. From the front, we can also see a likeness to early versions of the Mercedes-Benz G-Wagen. A new preview image from the firm shows off a Defender-style raised bonnet with contrasting air intakes and exposed fixings.

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The clearest Defender inspiration is at the front, where the Grenadier appears to share the same round headlights and horizontal bar grille design. The rear gives less away; the prototype has no back windows, suggesting either heavy disguise or that this is a commercial variant of some sort.

Earlier this year, a series of behind-the-scenes videos were released on the Ineos website ahead of a supposedly imminent a full debut for the rugged 4x4. Viewers were given an in-depth look at the Grenadier's box-section ladder frame chassis and beam-axle front-and-rear suspension. Both have long been staples of dedicated off-road vehicles, and Ineos is looking to continue that tradition.

“A ladder frame is the only way to build a proper off-road vehicle 4x4,” said chief engineer for vehicle integration Andreas Albrecht. “We are not using a monocoque, because we are not building an SUV.”

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The video is also interspersed with vehicles tackling rough terrain across the globe. The original Land Rover Discovery, which also sat atop a ladder chassis and used beam axles, appears to show much influence on the Grenadier's development.

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The first car built by the British company, owned by chemicals magnate Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the Grenadier is set to be an uncompromised off-roader.

Ineos has already confirmed that it will use BMW's latest 3.0-litre straight-six petrol and diesel engines and will be manufactured at a new factory in Bridgend, Wales.

Engineering firm Magna Steyr, responsible for producing the Mercedes-Benz G-Class, Jaguar I-Pace and Toyota GR Supra, will assist in bringing the 4x4 to series production.

The Grenadier is expected set to go on sale to customers in mid 2021.

 
Looking at the front brakes......sliding calipers ! crappy cheap brakes that will seize on the sliding pins after the first serious use off road .... needs at a minimum 4 Pot opposed piston calipers and bigger discs.
Rears are not even vented ....
Instead of looking at the Defender as a base line they should look at the Toyota 105 series .....that already has a better chassis than this "No compromise off roader "
Adjustable panhard rods are a nice touch but doubt they will make it to production....
 
Also axle design means no simple diff swap in the Ulu ......
Again reference Landcruiser axles ......not that they eat diffs or halfshafts anyway but diff comes out as an assy so a spare can be carried ....
 

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I've been following this since I first heard about it last year and a bit disappointed tbh.

I was hoping for something a bit smaller and not £40k!! I could get 2 pinz gauers for that and still have change.

I thought the idea was to have a simple, mostly mechanical (easy maintenance/repair at home) stripped down basic working vehicle?

On the upside it's nice to have the option of a truck with a station wagon body and look forward to the camper conversions!

Someone needs to start churning out the spiritual successor to the original Jeep.
 
They look to have done a very through and well thought out job on the design and market research. Like the split rear door and it's look. The only thing wrong for me is no front vents below the windscreen (which should be split by the way)!
I can see these going like hot cakes selling to the public,military and industry.
Bet JLR are regretting a lot of things today.
 

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Video here also:


From the front, the bonnet reminds me of the old Land Cruiser FJ40 as well as the Landie, G-Wagen cues.
 
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They look to have done a very through and well thought out job on the design and market research. Like the split rear door and it's look. The only thing wrong for me is no front vents below the windscreen (which should be split by the way)!
I can see these going like hot cakes selling to the public,military and industry.
Bet JLR are regretting a lot of things today.
The jury is out on whether they sell like hot cakes. The number of car start ups that deliver success is tiny, even when they are bankrolled by billionaires. Ineos have no dealer network, no reputation, no brand. It’s all got to be built.

I doubt JLR are losing any sleep over this; they’ve got a sure fire global winner on their hands with the new Defender. Wouldn’t surprise me to see the Defender pushing 100000 units a year with much bigger margins than Ineos.
 

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