Individual Liberty - Finally some sense....

#1
Finally, some traditional Conservative value coming back into politics:

As David Cameron has said, there is now a clear dividing line between Labour’s creeping authoritarianism and the Conservatives’ “instinctive desire to give people more power and control over their lives”, “our intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state” and a deep commitment to “enhancing personal freedom and limiting the State’s power


Individual Liberty - sense at last
 
#2
tattybadger said:
Finally, some traditional Conservative value coming back into politics:

As David Cameron has said, there is now a clear dividing line between Labour’s creeping authoritarianism and the Conservatives’ “instinctive desire to give people more power and control over their lives”, “our intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state” and a deep commitment to “enhancing personal freedom and limiting the State’s power


Individual Liberty - sense at last
No politician of any persuasion has any intention of giving anyone any power or "control over their lives". The Conservatives may believe in the State doing less but they certainly don't believe in allowing anyone more personal freedom. They will cut back Govt spending and reduce taxs a percentage point or so - but what pieces of intrusive legislation will they repeal ?

Test case - Will I have the power to run a new piece of electrical cable in my own house without a "qualified" electrician "certifying" the work ?
 
#3
Mr_Deputy said:
saladin said:
tattybadger said:
Finally, some traditional Conservative value coming back into politics:

As David Cameron has said, there is now a clear dividing line between Labour’s creeping authoritarianism and the Conservatives’ “instinctive desire to give people more power and control over their lives”, “our intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state” and a deep commitment to “enhancing personal freedom and limiting the State’s power


Individual Liberty - sense at last
No politician of any persuasion has any intention of giving anyone any power or "control over their lives". The Conservatives may believe in the State doing less but they certainly don't believe in allowing anyone more personal freedom. They will cut back Govt spending and reduce taxs a percentage point or so - but what pieces of intrusive legislation will they repeal ?

Test case - Will I have the power to run a new piece of electrical cable in my own house without a "qualified" electrician "certifying" the work ?
Test case - house burns down due to shoddy electrics. Is this all David Cameron's fault?

Cameron will probably have a breeze of a job if he gets in. No money to spend and very low expectations. Be like being Govenor of a third world island back in the 1920s.


That pretty much sums up where we are, thanks to Blair, Gordo and "The Project"...
 
#4
If Cameron is serious about this the first two things he will do is impliment a proper Bill of Rights (We already have a rather good one, it was never passed into law alas, the US Consitution is based on it), and a Supreme Court with the power and obligation to uphold it and strike down any legislation that is contrary to it.
 
#6
Oil_Slick said:
If Cameron is serious about this the first two things he will do is impliment a proper Bill of Rights (We already have a rather good one, it was never passed into law alas, the US Consitution is based on it), and a Supreme Court with the power and obligation to uphold it and strike down any legislation that is contrary to it.
No, we simply need to return to running this country along the lines given in the Bill of Rights and Magna Carta.
Ditch everything created in the last 25 years and start again.

As for Cameron giving us our rights and freedoms back, he'll have to work hard to prove that to me.
First and foremost I want one law for this country, no Sharia Courts, no different laws for MP's. Will he give me that?
Will he return law making to the UK or allow the fukking French and Germans to make our laws in the EU?
 
#7
tattybadger said:
Finally, some traditional Conservative value coming back into politics:

As David Cameron has said, there is now a clear dividing line between Labour’s creeping authoritarianism and the Conservatives’ “instinctive desire to give people more power and control over their lives”, “our intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state” and a deep commitment to “enhancing personal freedom and limiting the State’s power


Individual Liberty - sense at last
What a crock of sh*t. How much hardline Conservative opposition to the creeping erosion of rights has there been?

He has had ample opportunity and been found lacking. MP's expenses? Oh he was quite forthright over erosion of rights on that issue, in favour of his trough-guzzling mates.

He is the worst kind of lickspittle there is.

Year Zero the bloody place, then nail the Magna Carta to the front door and start again.
 

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#8
jarrod248 said:
I'm not sure the people will be able to cope with thinking for themselves again.
eh? WTF?!?!?? Sod that!
 
#11
The Tories opposed ID cards? Really? Or just felt the public mood on them?

Sorry Tatty , but this clownshoes is all image and no substance.

Why don't I hear anything about a Tory "10 point plan to restore the fortunes of GB"

All I hear is "Oh if we say anything, Labour will nick it" . Really? GOOD! It means if it's worthwhile, we can start to reverse the fortunes of UK PLC sooner rather than later.

I don't remember Dr. Cable saying anything about "They will nick my ideas" . Which they did, and far too late.

All this shower of mendacious b*stards are interested in , is riding the gravy train on a circle line, dispensing bon mots along the way.

Why is there no action? Have you asked yourself that?
 
#12
PartTimePongo said:
The Tories opposed ID cards? Really? Or just felt the public mood on them?

Sorry Tatty , but this clownshoes is all image and no substance.

Why don't I hear anything about a Tory "10 point plan to restore the fortunes of GB"

All I hear is "Oh if we say anything, Labour will nick it" . Really? GOOD! It means if it's worthwhile, we can start to reverse the fortunes of UK PLC sooner rather than later.

I don't remember Dr. Cable saying anything about "They will nick my ideas" . Which they did, and far too late.

All this shower of mendacious b*stards are interested in , is riding the gravy train on a circle line, dispensing bon mots along the way.

Why is there no action? Have you asked yourself that?
What the fcuk else do you suggest?

We have a clear choice - Labour or the Conservatives. At this point in time, the only thing talk like this will achieve is the re-election of Labour.

The Convervatives are far from brilliant, but the current bunch of ex-communist sociopaths scare the fcuk out of me. Unless you want to live in a police state, I suggest you give it a rest until after the election.
 
#14
What the fcuk else do you suggest?

We have a clear choice - Labour or the Conservatives. At this point in time, the only thing talk like this will achieve is the re-election of Labour.

The Convervatives are far from brilliant, but the current bunch of ex-communist sociopaths scare the fcuk out of me. Unless you want to live in a police state, I suggest you give it a rest until after the election.
I suggest they start remembering whose common good they are supposed to be acting in, not indulging in playground antics whilst lining their own deep pockets.
 
#15
DeltaDog said:
What the fcuk else do you suggest?

We have a clear choice - Labour or the Conservatives.
It's that kind of myopic and blinkered thinking that has brought us to where we are. The sooner people realise there are more than two parties the sooner we stop the Labour/Tory merry-go-round of 'get elected with a fanfare and fireworks, stay in power for too long, seriously fcuk things up, change parties, repeat.'

At this point in time, the only thing talk like this will achieve is the re-election of Labour.

The Convervatives are far from brilliant, but the current bunch of ex-communist sociopaths scare the fcuk out of me. Unless you want to live in a police state, I suggest you give it a rest until after the election.
So are you suggesting the Conservatives should stay in power in perpetuity or that we have a few terms of Tory until they make a monumental balls of things and we go back to Labour?
 
#16
ottar said:
DeltaDog said:
What the fcuk else do you suggest?

We have a clear choice - Labour or the Conservatives.
It's that kind of myopic and blinkered thinking that has brought us to where we are. The sooner people realise there are more than two parties the sooner we stop the Labour/Tory merry-go-round of 'get elected with a fanfare and fireworks, stay in power for too long, seriously fcuk things up, change parties, repeat.'
I know, and I despise it as much as the next 'right-thinking' person, but it's not going to change before the next election. Right now, our focus has to be on ridding ourselves of the Labour government before they destroy what's left of the country.

ottar said:
At this point in time, the only thing talk like this will achieve is the re-election of Labour.

The Convervatives are far from brilliant, but the current bunch of ex-communist sociopaths scare the fcuk out of me. Unless you want to live in a police state, I suggest you give it a rest until after the election.
So are you suggesting the Conservatives should stay in power in perpetuity or that we have a few terms of Tory until they make a monumental balls of things and we go back to Labour?
I would love to think that we can change the system and get people voting further afield. However, we first need to stabilise the country and the only realistic way that's going to happen is if we get rid of Labour (i.e. vote Conservative).
 
#17
DeltaDog said:
I would love to think that we can change the system and get people voting further afield. However, we first need to stabilise the country and the only realistic way that's going to happen is if we get rid of Labour (i.e. vote Conservative).
Labour are finished for a generation. There is more chance of my cucumber plant becoming PM than there is of Brown getting re-elected. The next election is the first, and possibly last, chance of not just pushing one of the two majors out of power, but out of opposition - and that will put the shitters up all politicians of all parties. The way to effect change is not to do what we've always done but to do something different.
 
#18
[quote="jarrod248
Too late to pull out of the EU now it's too good amoney-making scheme for some.
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Good point this. I think it is too late to do anything about the EU. We are far too deep in and there are far too many people benifiting from the gravey train - look at the Kinnocks, Tony for President etc. The real long term damage this banking disaster, on top of all the other things that have blead this once great country dry, will bring, will be us getting sucked further under the Brussles thumb. Our weaken monitary state will be used as a excuse for closer working, joint this and joint that! Over stretch in the forces? European Army - easy. Not enought ships to escort our new carriers? European task force - easy. You can see it coming a mile away. It's the only way, they will tell us. :x
 
#19
The 'Proof in the Pudding' will be if and when the Conservatives form the next Government - will they repeal all, or most of the legislation implement by Liar-boring over the last 11 or so years. The laws are those which are 'draconian' by anyone’s standards, including that piece of useless legislation, the 'Yuming Rites Act 1998'.

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The Convervatives are far from brilliant, but the current bunch of ex-communist sociopaths scare the fcuk out of me. Unless you want to live in a police state, I suggest you give it a rest until after the election.

We have to get Liar-boring out of office, before those who have sold us out 'Lock Stock and Forty Effing Barrells'... 'That Judas Moment' for their '30 Pieces of EU Siller'.

The McRuin-Broones, the B'Liars, the Meddlesome-petes, the Kerchingchuks et al.

It matters not what the Cyclops-McRuins, Meddlesome-petes, and Pals do to polish up the shoit-bucket called ‘New Liar-boring, it won’t work….

Old Eastern Sage states….. “A Turd is still a Turd, no matters how many times it is polished, shiny shiny new!”
 
#20
ottar said:
DeltaDog said:
I would love to think that we can change the system and get people voting further afield. However, we first need to stabilise the country and the only realistic way that's going to happen is if we get rid of Labour (i.e. vote Conservative).
Labour are finished for a generation. There is more chance of my cucumber plant becoming PM than there is of Brown getting re-elected. The next election is the first, and possibly last, chance of not just pushing one of the two majors out of power, but out of opposition - and that will put the shitters up all politicians of all parties. The way to effect change is not to do what we've always done but to do something different.
Labour are finished, unless they can split the Conservative vote. Don't forget that there's a substantial minority who still vote Labour.

I agree with your ideals, but I just don't see how this can become a reality without major changes to the system - which neither of the major parties are going to push for.
 

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