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INDIAN MUTANY TOURISTS BRICKED AND BESIEGED IN HOTEL

#1
Read this in the mail yesterday - tourists visiting india to looking at the sights of the Indian mutanymassacres by the Indians were bricked by the local's and besieged in their hotels - no hard feelings then! - Maybe we should reciprocate and have a Havelock, Campbell and Outram remeberence parade to celebrate our pst victories- lots of streets called Havelock. :D
 
#2
Yeah made me angry when I read this too :x

It seems that any other country can demand that unwanted foreigners leave their land, usually by aggressive, inhumane means but Britain will give them benefits and more rights than its own people :roll:

I can, however, understand the Indians being upset about how many of their own were hanged after our own were killed but both sides should be allowed to remember their own in harmony, not having to tolerate primitive stone-throwing morons who want to terrorise innocent British pensioners :x :roll:
 
#3
Were these the ex-riflemen who wanted to put up a memorial plaque to the Riflemen who died in the mutiny?

Apparently the plaque was considered provocative by the local government, and, as it was due to be put up in a church, the vicar was pressurised into refusing permission (I doubt it would have been seen by too many Indian nationalists). :?

Then again, it could have been predicted that there may have been a little reaction against a 'pro British/Loyal Indian' monument . In what was Cawnpore (site of an infamous massacre of a surrendered garrison and a few days later the murder of the surviving European women and children), soon after independence, the memorial to the victims was removed to a church, the area around the site of the massacre was turned into a park named after one of the murdering ba*ds in command of killers (Nana Rao) and the bust of another (Tantya Tope) was erected over the site of the well used as a body dump. :x
Indian War of Liberation my arse! :evil:

Let's make General Neill's Birthday a National Holiday :D
 
#4
That'll be the BJP at its old tricks again. Anyone or anything that doesn't conform to their 'Hindus are the victims despite outnumbering the rest by oodles to one' agenda gets burned, trashed or murdered.
 
#5
Not sure about a memorial being put up ,just remember the pensioners getting a bricking, I agree we hung a few after the mutiny or blew them to bits - all sort of quick deaths ,( but then I'd say they had it comming.) but dont recall any recorded event of us chopping up women and children. Or tricking men to surrender / march out then chopping everyone up. The accounts from cawnpore and Lucknow make interesting reading..
on a slighly different tact..
( I Remember a few years back the Rifles marched round spain and the peninsular tried to erect a memorial at Badajoz - which seemed somewhat dumb to me at the time, as we did go wild after getting in. To which we were politely told to F@ck off .)
 
#6
I agree we hung a few after the mutiny or blew them to bits - all sort of quick deaths ,( but then I'd say they had it comming.) but dont recall any recorded event of us chopping up women and children.
Maybe you ought to read up about how in the aftermath of the event every surviving male son of Bahadur Shah, the last Moghul emperor, was tracked down and killed by British troops and their severed heads were handed over on a platter to their father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857#Retaliation_.E2.80.94_.22The_Devil.27s_Wind.22

"A letter published after the fall of Delhi in the "Bombay Telegraph" and subsequently reproduced in the British press testified to the scale and nature of the retaliation:.... All the city people found within the walls (of the city of Delhi) when our troops entered were bayoneted on the spot, and the number was considerable, as you may suppose, when I tell you that in some houses forty and fifty people were hiding. These were not mutineers but residents of the city, who trusted to our well-known mild rule for pardon. I am glad to say they were disappointed".

Another brief letter from General Montgomery to Captain Hodson, the conqueror of Delhi exposes how the British military high command approved of the cold blooded massacre of Delhites: "All honour to you for catching the king and slaying his sons. I hope you will bag many more!"

Another comment on the conduct of the British soldiers after the fall of Delhi is of Captain Hodson himself in his book, Twelve years in India: "With all my love for the army, I must confess, the conduct of professed Christians, on this occasion, was one of the most humiliating facts connected with the siege." (Hodson was killed during the recapture of Lucknow in early 1858).

Edward Vibart, a nineteen year-old officer, also recorded his experience: "It was literally murder... I have seen many bloody and awful sights lately but such a one as I witnessed yesterday I pray I never see again. The women were all spared but their screams on seeing their husbands and sons butchered, were most painful... Heaven knows I feel no pity, but when some old grey bearded man is brought and shot before your very eyes, hard must be that man's heart I think who can look on with indifference..."

The British adopted a policy of "no prisoners", a policy which was enforced by means of massacre and mass executions. One officer, Thomas Lowe, later remembered how on one occasion his unit had taken 76 prisoners (they were just too tired to carry on killing and needed a rest, he recalled). Later, after a quick trial, the prisoners were all lined up with a British soldier standing a couple of yards in front of them. On the order "fire", they were all simultaneously shot, "swept... from their earthly existence". This was not the only mass execution Lowe participated in. On another occasion his unit took 149 prisoners, and once again they were lined up and all simultaneously shot.

As a result, the end of the war was followed by the execution of a vast majority of combatants from the Indian side as well as large numbers of civilians perceived to be sympathetic to the rebel cause. The British press and British government did not advocate clemency of any kind, though Governor General Canning tried to be sympathetic to native sensibilities, earning the scornful sobriquet "Clemency Canning". Soldiers took very few prisoners and often executed them later. Whole villages were wiped out for apparent pro-rebel sympathies. The Indians called this retaliation "the Devil's Wind."

NB My dad is Indian and one of my ancestors was one of those actually blown from cannon but I dont hold any grudges. :D
 
#7
Did anyone really like the Mughals? No really, did anyone like them? I don't recall many people speaking good of them, Bunch of Turkic Islamo Fanatic bastards in my opinion. No offence. They were just as foreign as the British, but they didn't bother with anything modern. Clearly against their religion as we all know!

The Mughal period in India is something they people, especially Indians, would rather forget about. Now the Maratha empire, there's something to talk about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Empire
 
#8
Taz_786 said:
I agree we hung a few after the mutiny or blew them to bits - all sort of quick deaths ,( but then I'd say they had it comming.) but dont recall any recorded event of us chopping up women and children.
Maybe you ought to read up about how in the aftermath of the event every surviving male son of Bahadur Shah, the last Moghul emperor, was tracked down and killed by British troops and their severed heads were handed over on a platter to their father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857#Retaliation_.E2.80.94_.22The_Devil.27s_Wind.22

"A letter published after the fall of Delhi in the "Bombay Telegraph" and subsequently reproduced in the British press testified to the scale and nature of the retaliation:.... All the city people found within the walls (of the city of Delhi) when our troops entered were bayoneted on the spot, and the number was considerable, as you may suppose, when I tell you that in some houses forty and fifty people were hiding. These were not mutineers but residents of the city, who trusted to our well-known mild rule for pardon. I am glad to say they were disappointed".

Another brief letter from General Montgomery to Captain Hodson, the conqueror of Delhi exposes how the British military high command approved of the cold blooded massacre of Delhites: "All honour to you for catching the king and slaying his sons. I hope you will bag many more!"

Another comment on the conduct of the British soldiers after the fall of Delhi is of Captain Hodson himself in his book, Twelve years in India: "With all my love for the army, I must confess, the conduct of professed Christians, on this occasion, was one of the most humiliating facts connected with the siege." (Hodson was killed during the recapture of Lucknow in early 1858).

Edward Vibart, a nineteen year-old officer, also recorded his experience: "It was literally murder... I have seen many bloody and awful sights lately but such a one as I witnessed yesterday I pray I never see again. The women were all spared but their screams on seeing their husbands and sons butchered, were most painful... Heaven knows I feel no pity, but when some old grey bearded man is brought and shot before your very eyes, hard must be that man's heart I think who can look on with indifference..."

The British adopted a policy of "no prisoners", a policy which was enforced by means of massacre and mass executions. One officer, Thomas Lowe, later remembered how on one occasion his unit had taken 76 prisoners (they were just too tired to carry on killing and needed a rest, he recalled). Later, after a quick trial, the prisoners were all lined up with a British soldier standing a couple of yards in front of them. On the order "fire", they were all simultaneously shot, "swept... from their earthly existence". This was not the only mass execution Lowe participated in. On another occasion his unit took 149 prisoners, and once again they were lined up and all simultaneously shot.

As a result, the end of the war was followed by the execution of a vast majority of combatants from the Indian side as well as large numbers of civilians perceived to be sympathetic to the rebel cause. The British press and British government did not advocate clemency of any kind, though Governor General Canning tried to be sympathetic to native sensibilities, earning the scornful sobriquet "Clemency Canning". Soldiers took very few prisoners and often executed them later. Whole villages were wiped out for apparent pro-rebel sympathies. The Indians called this retaliation "the Devil's Wind."

NB My dad is Indian and one of my ancestors was one of those actually blown from cannon but I dont hold any grudges. :D
And so you shouldn't. Grudges are for loosers, or, at best, silly people.

My Dad isn't an Indian, and there's nothing wrong with being one, but my Great Great Grandfather is THE Scully who set the train

"Delhi - 11th May 1857

Conductor John Scully - murdered by mutineers at Delhi - 11th May 1857"

John Scully was the man who lit the fuse, on a signal, which in itself was a tip of a hat.

They knew they were going to die.

Brave enough for you?

There is no grave, as such, but his name is engraved under the cannon in Tralee.
 
#9
Taz_786 said:
I agree we hung a few after the mutiny or blew them to bits - all sort of quick deaths ,( but then I'd say they had it comming.) but dont recall any recorded event of us chopping up women and children.
Maybe you ought to read up about how in the aftermath of the event every surviving male son of Bahadur Shah, the last Moghul emperor, was tracked down and killed by British troops and their severed heads were handed over on a platter to their father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857#Retaliation_.E2.80.94_.22The_Devil.27s_Wind.22

"A letter published after the fall of Delhi in the "Bombay Telegraph" and subsequently reproduced in the British press testified to the scale and nature of the retaliation:.... All the city people found within the walls (of the city of Delhi) when our troops entered were bayoneted on the spot, and the number was considerable, as you may suppose, when I tell you that in some houses forty and fifty people were hiding. These were not mutineers but residents of the city, who trusted to our well-known mild rule for pardon. I am glad to say they were disappointed".

Another brief letter from General Montgomery to Captain Hodson, the conqueror of Delhi exposes how the British military high command approved of the cold blooded massacre of Delhites: "All honour to you for catching the king and slaying his sons. I hope you will bag many more!"

Another comment on the conduct of the British soldiers after the fall of Delhi is of Captain Hodson himself in his book, Twelve years in India: "With all my love for the army, I must confess, the conduct of professed Christians, on this occasion, was one of the most humiliating facts connected with the siege." (Hodson was killed during the recapture of Lucknow in early 1858).

Edward Vibart, a nineteen year-old officer, also recorded his experience: "It was literally murder... I have seen many bloody and awful sights lately but such a one as I witnessed yesterday I pray I never see again. The women were all spared but their screams on seeing their husbands and sons butchered, were most painful... Heaven knows I feel no pity, but when some old grey bearded man is brought and shot before your very eyes, hard must be that man's heart I think who can look on with indifference..."

The British adopted a policy of "no prisoners", a policy which was enforced by means of massacre and mass executions. One officer, Thomas Lowe, later remembered how on one occasion his unit had taken 76 prisoners (they were just too tired to carry on killing and needed a rest, he recalled). Later, after a quick trial, the prisoners were all lined up with a British soldier standing a couple of yards in front of them. On the order "fire", they were all simultaneously shot, "swept... from their earthly existence". This was not the only mass execution Lowe participated in. On another occasion his unit took 149 prisoners, and once again they were lined up and all simultaneously shot.

As a result, the end of the war was followed by the execution of a vast majority of combatants from the Indian side as well as large numbers of civilians perceived to be sympathetic to the rebel cause. The British press and British government did not advocate clemency of any kind, though Governor General Canning tried to be sympathetic to native sensibilities, earning the scornful sobriquet "Clemency Canning". Soldiers took very few prisoners and often executed them later. Whole villages were wiped out for apparent pro-rebel sympathies. The Indians called this retaliation "the Devil's Wind."

NB My dad is Indian and one of my ancestors was one of those actually blown from cannon but I dont hold any grudges. :D
I have a simple rule of the thumb when it comes to the war of 1857. Anyone who remembers the barbarity of one side without remembering the barbarity of the other is talking shite. Works every time.
 
#10
:lol: My Grandfather served in India,and I eat curry,he got cholera but did not hold a grudge, :lol: Aint arf hot mum,vinderloooooooooooo aarh :lol: :lol:
 
#11
Well im pretty sure if i wanted to visit Belfast and lay a wreath where my mates were killed, id get bricked and spat on, so why the suprises that the Indians did it in India.

Okay so its ancient history, but seems that Northern Irelands treated pretty much the same now.
 
#13
I have a simple rule of the thumb when it comes to the war of 1857. Anyone who remembers the barbarity of one side without remembering the barbarity of the other is talking shite. Works every time.[/quote]

Agreed , I stand corrected or what we did in the aftermath , however, I dont think I am wrong in saying that we did not start the wholesale massecre, but retailated in kind-though I do not condone what Taz's quote shows we did in Dheli.

I am well used to the fact that a lot of people dont like us (the English) , but I dont see after 150 years that you brick tourists.

I haven't heard of the Germans getting a kicking in Holland or France when visiting old Battlefields.( But then again I may be wrong.)
John Scully what a man!
 

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