India needs to prepare for war with China and Pakistan

earth

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Which follows the standard pattern for these stramashes. The only thing unusual about this one was the body-count, which I suspect was due to terrain rather than extreme hostilities.
You forgot to add that a global loss of face for the Chinese and a permanent damage to the India-china relationship.
 

ROMFT

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You forgot to add that a global loss of face for the Chinese and a permanent damage to the India-china relationship.
Most of the rest of the world hasn't even noticed that it happened, I pointed the story out to a Hindu colleague (admittedly several generations removed from actually having much to do with India), he knew nothing about it, was totally new to him.
 
Russians & Indians have a long history of military support dating back to Soviet days.
Indeed so, but there have been the odd sales coups. The Canberras, Hunters, Gnats and Jaguars have proved to have been more successful than anything from the Soviet stable. I think they still have a squadron of Jags. They're well-liked. The IAF adopting Typhoon would not have been without precedent.
 
Indeed so, but there have been the odd sales coups. The Canberras, Hunters, Gnats and Jaguars have proved to have been more successful than anything from the Soviet stable. I think they still have a squadron of Jags. They're well-liked. The IAF adopting Typhoon would not have been without precedent.
With gods gun (That Rifle) and gods aircraft (Hunter) is it any wonder that they thrashed Pakistan in 1965 and 1971. And thats not counting the cricket.
 
All gone a little quiet in the western media.

'Satellite images have captured an additional build-up of troops and equipment by the Chinese People’s Liberation Army in the Aksai Chin area. The Indian government has expedited weapons and troop deployment after making an assessment that PLA troops are preparing for a long and harsh winter in the Himalayas.

'India has started deploying a squadron (12) of T-90 missile-firing tanks, armoured personnel carriers, and a full troop brigade (4,000 men) to Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) to prevent any possible Chinese incursion from the Shaksgam-Karakoram pass axis in the Ladakh region, as per military commanders quoted by the Indian news daily Hindustan Times. The move has reportedly come after disengagement talks failed to topple the Chinese military build-up, wherein the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) deployed close to 50,000 troops in Aksai Chin.

'Since the bridges on the Darbuk-Shyok-DBO road cannot handle the weight of a 46-tonne T-90 tank, the missile firing tanks were deployed by fording the rivers and rivulets using specialised equipment. The army has also deployed infantry combat vehicles, US-made M-777 155mm howitzers, and 130 mm guns at multiple locations in eastern Ladakh which include DBO, Galwan, and Pangong Tso.

'The satellite images have shown large concentrations of troops in the Tibet Autonomous Region and the use of possible tunnels to amass equipment, Indian news website ThePrint has claimed. The assessment of a new build-up has suggested that the People’s Liberation Army appears to be getting ready for a long and harsh winter. Satellite images from 21 July by @detresfa shows a PLA build-up in Shiquanhe, Tibet. The fresh build-up includes about 5,000 troops and equipment. Helipads have also come up in the area, and fresh construction is going on.

'Chinese troops are almost 8 kilometres inside Indian territory in the Depsang Valley, as per government sources. India and China are in one of the longest border standoffs, which began in the last week of April after Beijing raised objections over infrastructure development by New Delhi along the loosely demarcated border.'


 

john_singh

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willy waving and nationalism apart, have western forces trained much with the Indian forces, especially in the mountains?
How are their mountain forces compared to western ones.
I heard there was a joint exercise a few years ago. UK troops with Indian para's I think and have also heard western troops have visited and trained at the High Altitude Warfare School.
 

earth

LE
willy waving and nationalism apart, have western forces trained much with the Indian forces, especially in the mountains?
How are their mountain forces compared to western ones.
I heard there was a joint exercise a few years ago. UK troops with Indian para's I think and have also heard western troops have visited and trained at the High Altitude Warfare School.
Probably amongst the best if not the best in the world,it has to be otherwise the grueling Himalayas won't forgive you.India operates the largest mountain force in the world with over 200,000 dedicated troops in 12 divisions and some of Indian forward bases are at altitude of 20,000 FT.
 
Probably amongst the best if not the best in the world,it has to be otherwise the grueling Himalayas won't forgive you.India operates the largest mountain force in the world with over 200,000 dedicated troops in 12 divisions and some of Indian forward bases are at altitude of 20,000 FT.
And the last time they were up against the Chinese, they got their hoops handed to them on a plate.
 

earth

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And the last time they were up against the Chinese, they got their hoops handed to them on a plate.
That was a brawl wherein hundreds of PLA soldiers attacked a small platoon with with rods wrapped with nails and pushed them off the cliff.The Indian party,most of whom were regular infantry soldiers had come with their CO for discussions regarding an observation post and not to fight.Besides,there was a massive casualty on the Chinese side too.
 
That was a brawl wherein hundreds of PLA soldiers attacked a small platoon with with rods wrapped with nails and pushed them off the cliff.The Indian party,most of whom were regular infantry soldiers had come with their CO for discussions regarding an observation post and not to fight.Besides,there was a massive casualty on the Chinese side too.
I think he was probably talking about 1962?
 
Morning All,p
From today's local 'comic'. Good article if anyone's interested.
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A very good article that I agree with, the one child policy although needed (due to Mao's policy to 'breed more sons so I can do human wave attacks to defeat US/Soviet power') means that China really has an internal brittleness and the youth in China are no way as tough as previous generations. Is there a link to this newspaper? Lt General Bali seems worth a follow
 
A very good article that I agree with, the one child policy although needed (due to Mao's policy to 'breed more sons so I can do human wave attacks to defeat US/Soviet power') means that China really has an internal brittleness and the youth in China are no way as tough as previous generations. Is there a link to this newspaper? Lt General Bali seems worth a follow
Morning @armchair_jihad,
The local 'comic' is the 'The Tribune'. There's usually a couple of similar articles per week. I'll keep pisting as and when. I've also started throwing them in the 'Officers' thread.
 
Were you in Allo, Allo by any chance, Captain Alberto Bertorelli?
I luva de laydeys! I think you're meant to be referred to Officer Crabtree (the gendarme), "Good Moaning".
 
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More fun and games on the LAC.

'Indian Army beats Chinese in occupying strategic height near Pangong lake southern bank.'


'China’s Western Theatre Command said Monday evening that Indian troops once again illegally crossed the Line of Actual Control near the south bank of the Pangong Lake and Reqin mountain pass on Monday, a blatant provocative move that seriously infringed on China’s territorial sovereignty, and undermined the peace and stability in the China-India border area. Earlier in the day, India, who first moved to accuse China of carrying out “provocative military movements,” said it preempted Chinese military activity.

'The word “preempt” shows it was the Indian troops that first took destructive actions, and the Indian troops initiated the standoff this time.

'The south bank of the Pangong Lake where the latest confrontation took place is under China’s control. India is trying to turn it into a new disputed area as a bargaining chip in negotiations. Obviously, India is taking an aggressive approach on border issues rather than prioritizing stability in border regions.'


 
Report (ok, it's Sputnik) of further a fatal clash.

'Fresh clashes erupted between the troops of China and India in the Chushul Valley of Eastern Ladakh overnight on 29-30 August; the countries have accused each other of a transgression into their side of the Line of Actual Control.

'A Tibetan soldier in the Indian Army’s Special Frontier Force (SFF) has reportedly been killed; Chinese troops allegedly shot him in the neck during a patrol duty on Saturday night, as per a report on the website Tibet Sun. However, the Indian Army has not confirmed the report.

'The 51-year-old Company Leader Nyima Tenzin of the Special Frontier Force was from the Tibetan settlement in Choglamsar, near Ladakh’s capital Leh. Another Tibetan personnel, Tenzin Loden, 24, was injured during the incident, the army has revealed.

'Both the soldiers are from 7 VIKAS, one of the seven SFF battalions which have been moved to Ladakh and deployed against the Chinese. The SFF is an elite paratroop unit manned by volunteers from the 120,000-strong Tibetan refugee community in India.

'The report has suggested that during the physical altercation between the Indian and Chinese troops in Chushul Valley, Tibetan soldiers stationed at the nearby Thakung post intervened to prevent the PLA soldiers from building.'


 

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