India needs to prepare for war with China and Pakistan

Numbers don't necessarily translate in to capability, but illustrates the size of the IAF.

'The Indian Air Force needs new fighters. It needed them pretty badly before the current conflict with China over a stretch of the Himalayas that both countries claim. Now it needs them even worse.

'On Monday, Chinese forces killed 20 Indian soldiers in a skirmish along the disputed India-China border running through the towering mountain range. Forty-three Chinese soldiers also were injured or died, according to press reports. So it should come as no surprise that India this week reportedly placed a $780 million order with Russia for 33 fighters, enough to equip or reequip two squadrons. What’s weird is which fighter types New Delhi reportedly is buying. The Indian order includes 21 MiG-29s and 12 Su-30s, according to press reports. But one aviation expert believes the Sukhois in particular are a poor fit for mountain patrols.

'The Indian Air Force reportedly long had planned to buy the extra planes to bolster the service’s existing arsenal of around 230 Su-30s and 60 MiG-29s. The air arm also plans, in coming years, to buy 83 locally-made Tejas light fighters as well as 144 foreign-made medium fighters. All the new fighters—the Sukhois, MiGs, Tejas and medium fighters—are part of an effort to grow the air force from 28 front-line squadrons to 40, the number New Delhi considers adequate to fight both Pakistan and China at the same time.'


Militarily the Chinese would wipe the floor with India. Indians are fucked basically.
 

ROMFT

Clanker
Militarily the Chinese would wipe the floor with India. Indians are fucked basically.
If they are going to slug it out in the Himalayas then it will probably come down to who has the best logistics setup.
Although, don't the Indians have their own Gurhka regiments ?
 
China is not smart as far as foreign diplomacy is concerned.....this skirmish over a tiny piece of land with no economic or strategic value and end up damaging trade and social relationships which has weathered decades of border hostilities.

These days in India we are witnessing mass boycott of Chinese goods as Anti China sentiments have crossed the Everest level.Many deals with Chinese companies are getting cancelled and buying Indian over Chinese has become a trend.

Picking enemies all over the world has done China no favor rather than making it the new leader of the Axis of the evil.
Stop it , Stop it !
It is most disconcerting finding myself in full agreement with you.
Would you please go back to spouting your usual shite and restore normality.
Thank you.
 

mcphee1948

War Hero
Skipped, in his excellent post #660 above, refers the Indian Air Force purchasing Russian planes such as the Su-30 and MiG-29.

Why is the IAF doing this, do you think. As a Commonwealth country, shouldn't India be more interested in acquiring aircraft which have at least a substantial UK input, like the Typhoon.

The UK is a good friend of India. And will always help with technical support of aircraft supplied by the UK.
Whereas Russia has no interest in India, other than viewing the country as a pawn in Russia's power-games.

So, if India makes its Air Force dependent on Russian-supplied planes, what will happen if Russia decides to withdraw technical support, and not send any more spare parts?
 

ROMFT

Clanker
Russians & Indians have a long history of military support dating back to Soviet days.
 

Bob65

Old-Salt
Skipped, in his excellent post #660 above, refers the Indian Air Force purchasing Russian planes such as the Su-30 and MiG-29.

Why is the IAF doing this, do you think. As a Commonwealth country, shouldn't India be more interested in acquiring aircraft which have at least a substantial UK input, like the Typhoon.

The UK is a good friend of India. And will always help with technical support of aircraft supplied by the UK.
Whereas Russia has no interest in India, other than viewing the country as a pawn in Russia's power-games.

So, if India makes its Air Force dependent on Russian-supplied planes, what will happen if Russia decides to withdraw technical support, and not send any more spare parts?
If I remember correctly the IAF's last big decision came down to a bake-off between the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Dassault Rafale which the Rafale won due to "lower lifecycle costs". The MiG-35 was in the first round but was rejected. I guess there must have been another one since.

India buys kit from Russia because the US sells kit to Pakistan.
 
Why is the IAF doing this, do you think. As a Commonwealth country, shouldn't India be more interested in acquiring aircraft which have at least a substantial UK input, like the Typhoon.

The UK is a good friend of India. And will always help with technical support of aircraft supplied by the UK.
Whereas Russia has no interest in India, other than viewing the country as a pawn in Russia's power-games.
India is still in it's teenage stage of hating it's parents.
 

mcphee1948

War Hero
India is still in it's teenage stage of hating it's parents.
But India is hardly a raging teenager any more. It escaped British parental control in 1947, and is now 73 years old. At that age, cool wisdom should prevail.
 
Skipped, in his excellent post #660 above, refers the Indian Air Force purchasing Russian planes such as the Su-30 and MiG-29.

Why is the IAF doing this, do you think. As a Commonwealth country, shouldn't India be more interested in acquiring aircraft which have at least a substantial UK input, like the Typhoon.

The UK is a good friend of India. And will always help with technical support of aircraft supplied by the UK.
Whereas Russia has no interest in India, other than viewing the country as a pawn in Russia's power-games.

So, if India makes its Air Force dependent on Russian-supplied planes, what will happen if Russia decides to withdraw technical support, and not send any more spare parts?
Choice of which kit to buy depends on a lot of factors. One is that for critical kit, India likes to spread their supplier base around so they don't get too dependent on any particular one. Of particular concern is supply of spare parts when they have a diplomatic falling out with a supplier.

Another reason is technology transfer. India want to build up their own arms industry, and part of any contract usually involves the supplier granting licenses and supplying engineering data to a local partner.

Yet another reason is strictly commercial, particularly with respect to who the local partner is. If the local partner is not in good standing with the Indian ministry of defence, then that hobbles the chances of selling any particular piece of kit regardless of its particular merits.

Both the MIG 29s and the SU-30s are already in service in India, and the Su-30s are already being license built in India by HAL. The new order for more SU-30s will come off the Indian production line. The MIG-29s are apparently planes that were already built for an order that got cancelled but is being revived.

India are also reported as likely to be buy 83 Tejas fighters, an Indian designed plane.

 
Morning All,
Ref: My post #672. Talks over. Doesn't look like it was well attended/social distance observed or photo'., taken after the parade.
Haven't seen any footage of the parade so don't know if it was well attended.
From today's local 'comic'.
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The armed forces from 17 countries also marched in the parade.
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