India confirms the purchase of 36 Rafale in fly-away conditions

...Is there a ship version of Meteor like the Aim-120?...
I’m sure MBDA have concepts but I’m not aware of ship based Meteor variant being available yet. However, ASRAAM forms the basis of the Common Anti-Air Modular Missile (CAAMM) which is planned to replace the Sea Wolf and Rapier in RN and Army service.

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MM
 
In fairness, the Indian AF is a very effective and professional service these days.

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MM
Having seen the Indian Air Force close-up at Yelahanka AFS back in 2007, it is surprising how RAF oriented their air force remains-or it certainly did back then.
 
Having seen the Indian Air Force close-up at Yelahanka AFS back in 2007, it is surprising how RAF oriented their air force remains-or it certainly did back then.
That’s very much the case for a great many former colonial nations; Pakistan, South Africa, Kenya and Zimbabwe are other good examples.

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MM
 
That’s very much the case for a great many former colonial nations; Pakistan, South Africa, Kenya and Zimbabwe are other good examples.

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MM
Malaysia as well. Being on a TUDM (Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia-Royal Malaysian Air Force) base years ago was like a throwback to a RAF base in the 1960s. Signs up to not smoke within xx number of feet (not metres) of a fuel bowser for instance.

There again the Royal Thai Air Force is run on US lines-apart from having a RAF style rank structure.
 

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Money given to India is very unlikely to be spent in the UK. Especially after the Leornado corruption scandal.

Link,

2013 Indian helicopter bribery scandal - Wikipedia

This money will most likely be spent on Russia or the USA.

It's amusing to see how the British think that the so called foreign aid is a major source of income of the Indian government.

Firstly India has repeatedly asked the government of UK to stop this aid program considering the fact that India's annual spending is nearly 600 billion $ and has been running many programs to uplift it's poor.
 
It's amusing to see how the British think that the so called foreign aid is a major source of income of the Indian government.

Firstly India has repeatedly asked the government of UK to stop this aid program considering the fact that India's annual spending is nearly 600 billion $ and has been running many programs to uplift it's poor.

Earth,

I'm sure 99.99999 of the British taxpayers would agree with you.

However the snowflakes have to have some excuse to visit India and see how the aid is being spent during the worst of the British winter. And no doubt staying at the best hotels available.
 
FFS...not...again..



"Lockheed looks for Indian partners"


Business Standard, 17th July 19

Signalling the resumption of the world’s biggest international fighter aircraft procurement – the contest between seven international vendors and their Indian “strategic partners” to supply the Indian Air Force (IAF) with 114 fighters for $20-25 billion – US aerospace giant Lockheed Martin and its Indian partner, Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL), brought together on Tuesday a range of defence companies to form partnerships to build the F-21 fighter in India.

If New Delhi opts for the F-21 (basically a rebranded F-16 Block 70 fighter) Lockheed Martin has announced it will transfer the F-16 production line from Fort Worth, Texas to India, where TASL will assemble fighters for the IAF.

However, F-21 assembly alone will not meet the 40-50 per cent indigenisation target that New Delhi is stipulating as a condition for this contract. To achieve this, the Lockheed Martin F-16 vendor chain will also have to transfer a significant amount of production to Indian partners.

Indigenous production of 50 per cent of a $20-25 billion contract involves business worth $10 billion (Rs 70,000 crore) for Indian industry.

To facilitate production partnerships, the three-day “Suppliers Conference” inaugurated in New Delhi by Lockheed Martin and TASL, brings together the F-16’s current “Tier-1 vendors” (which build large F-16 systems) with potential Indian industry partners. In a process that a senior Lockheed Martin executive likens to “speed dating”, the conference will host 540 “business-to-business” meetings for these vendors to select promising Indian partner companies.

Scouting for Indian partners are more than 20 F-16 vendors, including the world’s foremost aerospace and defence firms: BAE Systems, Cobham, Collins Aerospace, Curtiss-Wright, Eaton, Elbit Systems, Elta, GE Aviation, Honeywell, L3Harris, Leonardo, Martin Baker, Meggitt, Moog, Northrop Grumman, Parker Hannifin, Pratt & Whitney, Rada, Rafael, Raytheon and Safran Electrical & Power.

Hoping to tie up with them are about 70 Indian suppliers. These include large public firms like Bharat Earth Movers Ltd, medium sized, high technology firms like Data Patterns and small electronics companies like Verdant.

Lall told Business Standard that, over the preceding year, a dedicated team of Lockheed Martin production experts has been visiting the facilities of potential Indian partner firms, carrying out on-site assessments of their capabilities. This followed two earlier supplier conferences held in Bengaluru.

Lockheed Martin is offering to support all 2,500 F-16s in operational service worldwide from its Indian production line. In addition, new F-16 orders from any country will be built on the Indian production line. The US company believes this offer of industrial partnership, and its benefit to India’s aerospace industry, makes the F-21 a front-runner in the IAF procurement.

“Our partnership with Indian industry… will put India at the epicentre of world’s largest defence ecosystem and deliver unmatched sustainment and export opportunities”, said Vivek Lall of Lockheed Martin.

Lockheed Martin’s F-21 is competing for the IAF contract with Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet; the Russian MiG-35 and Sukhoi-35; Saab’s Gripen E; Eurofighter GmbH’s Typhoon and Dassault’s Rafale.

Lockheed Martin is already building sophisticated aerospace structures in Hyderabad, in partnership with TASL, including include entire cabin structures for Sikorsky helicopters. Signalling its commitment to the TASL partnership, Lockheed Martin has announced that all F-16 wings will be built in Hyderabad henceforth, even if the IAF does not select the F-21.
 
It makes perfect sense, off load your legacy platforms to India and move on to 6th Generation.

I was once offered the Apache data recorder as part of a tender I was running, 1970’s 9mm magnetic tape technology in 2010.
 
Indian industry started out on being given obsolete British products , the old tooling and production lines, Royal Enfield motorcycles , Lister Petter Diesel engines, Morris cars ect.
 
It makes perfect sense, off load your legacy platforms to India and move on to 6th Generation.

I was once offered the Apache data recorder as part of a tender I was running, 1970’s 9mm magnetic tape technology in 2010.
Not everybody needs the latest and greatest...whatever suits the needs..plenty of older (but updated) platforms out there operating still fine..
 
Didn’t suggest otherwise, it’s a win win.
If the Indian's actually manage to get this procurement process together this time...it could be a good be a good platform for them. They seem to have one of the worst defense procurement systems ever..
 
I REALLY hope that Typhoon doesn’t win!!!!

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MM
 
If the Indian's actually manage to get this procurement process together this time...it could be a good be a good platform for them. They seem to have one of the worst defense procurement systems ever..
Its because they are very fraudulent, very greedy and have a real 'status' issue of hierarchy. Similar to the Saudis, I have had friends removed from Saudi because they refused to give Homer Bin Simpson a decent end of year appraisal when he did fcuk all.

The Indians want your blood and when they get it and fcuk it up, they try and blame the supplier for their incompetence and start refusing to pay.

I dealth with them on Hawk India for the aircraft and training environments, luckily we sold the training devices business to CAE (CAE To Provide Maintenance Support For India's Hawk Synthetic Training Equipment) after delivery!

Awful people, the road from the airport to the training center was so shit we realised the commercial manager had fooked up and should have sold the project as EXW, we spent a couple of weeks rebuilding them.
 
FFS...not...again..



"Lockheed looks for Indian partners"


Business Standard, 17th July 19

.............. – US aerospace giant Lockheed Martin and its Indian partner, Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL), brought together on Tuesday a range of defence companies to form partnerships to build the F-21 fighter in India........
Lockheed Martin is already building sophisticated aerospace structures in Hyderabad, in partnership with TASL, including include entire cabin structures for Sikorsky helicopters. Signalling its commitment to the TASL partnership, Lockheed Martin has announced that all F-16 wings will be built in Hyderabad henceforth, even if the IAF does not select the F-21.
TASL building aircraft??? They have enough difficulty with this!!

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This is contract is for the balance of the planes which Dassault did not provide after the build-in-India contract fell apart. Dassault is providing three dozen planes built in France under the original contract, but the build-in-India portion for 114 planes is going back up for bid again. The contract was kicked off again about a month ago.

The Indians are anxious to get the show on the road because their existing fleet of aircraft are getting increasingly older and more decrepit as things drag out.

 
I REALLY hope that Typhoon doesn’t win!!!!

Regards,
MM
To win when dealing with the Indians, the product being offered is not selected by them.

I think the Tiff is doing OK in the Middle East, another batch ordered from Oman, and maybe Bahrain coming on board should see Warton in work for the best part of the 2020s.

The first Rafale 2 seater broke cover at Bordeaux recently, serial RB001.
 

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