India confirms the purchase of 36 Rafale in fly-away conditions

Some more info from an Indian perspective from a blog. There are quite a few other Rafale related articles posted there as well.

Saturday, 22 September 2018
MoD rebuts Hollande’s claim on Rafale deal
French govt issues unconvincing "denial"; Dassault claims it took the call
By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 22nd Sept 18

The government on Saturday rebutted former French president Francois Hollande’s explosive allegation that New Delhi had nominated Anil Ambani’s Reliance Group as the industrial partner in the purchase of 36 Rafale fighters from France.
“The Government has stated earlier and again reiterates that it had no role in the selection of Reliance Defence as the offset partner”, said a statement from India’s ministry of defence (MoD).
The rebuttal came even as the opposition Congress intensified its attack on the Narendra Modi government, citing Hollande’s claim.
The MoD statement starts by implying that Hollande was motivated by a “conflict of interest” relating to his personal life. “[His] reported statement perhaps needs to be seen in its full context – where the French media has raised issues of conflict of interest involving persons close to the former President,” it said.

The implied “conflict of interest” relates to The Reliance Group’s investment of Euro 1.6 million in 2016, in a film produced by Hollande’s partner, actress Julie Gayet. Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) spokespersons have already taken the line that Hollande had falsely alleged that New Delhi had done Ambani a favour, in order to deflect charges that he had done the favour himself, as a quid pro quo for the financing extended to Gayet.

French journalists indicate this makes further intervention by Hollande almost inevitable. On Saturday, Hollande’s office told NDTV that the former president stands by his statement to Mediapart.

Late on Friday night, the French government issued its own carefully worded “denial”. Without explicitly contradicting Hollande, it stated: “The French government is in no manner involved in the choice of Indian industrial partners who have been, are being, or will be selected by French companies. In accordance with India’s acquisition procedure, French companies have the full freedom to choose the Indian partner companies that they consider to be the most relevant…”

French observers, speaking anonymously, point out that Paris had no choice but to issue a denial given the importance of India’s Rafale purchase for France’s aerospace industry. However, they underline its linguistic ambiguity. “The statement says Paris is not involved in selecting the Indian offset partner. This, in no way contradicts Hollande’s statement that New Delhi selected Ambani,” said one observer.

The second part of the French government statement that says: “In accordance with India’s acquisition procedure, French companies have the full freedom to choose the Indian partner companies…” is also a bland recitation of the procurement procedure. “This does not address Hollande’s implicit allegation that New Delhi violated its own acquisition procedure”, pointed out the observer.

Meanwhile, Dassault, which had refused to comment for the Mediapart report, has also issued a statement contradicting Hollande. “Dassault Aviation has decided to make a partnership with India's Reliance Group. This is Dassault Aviation's choice…” it said.

The MoD statement unusually cites “media reports” to argue that the Dassault-Reliance partnership was not related to the 36-Rafale purchase. Instead, it went back to 2012, when Dassault was competing in the tender for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA).

“It has been reported that a JV (joint venture) between Reliance Defence and Dassault Aviation came into being in February, 2017. This is a purely commercial arrangement between two private companies. Incidentally, media reports of February 2012 suggest that Dassault Aviation, within two weeks of being declared the lowest bidder for procurement of 126 aircraft by the previous Government, had entered into a pact for partnership with Reliance Industries in defence sector.”

In its statement, Dassault cites Reliance Group’s ownership of land abutting a runway in Nagpur as a reason for deciding to partner Anil Ambani. “Dassault Aviation and Reliance have built a plant in Nagpur for manufacturing parts for Falcon and Rafale aircraft. The Nagpur site was chosen because of the availability of land with direct access to an airport runway, an essential condition of aeronautic activities”, said Dassault.

Reliance Group’s involvement in the Rafale controversy relates to its selection as one of Dassault’s offset partners. In all Indian defence procurements worth more than Rs 2,000 crore (Rs 20 billion), an offset policy requires the overseas vendor to plough back 50 per cent of the contract value into Indian defence production. Euro 3.9 billion worth of offsets arise from the Euro 7.8 billion contract for 36 Rafale fighters. However, The Reliance Group says it has benefited only from Euro 778 million worth of offsets orders from Dassault.

This latest twist in the Rafale controversy was triggered on Friday, when the well-regarded French investigative website, Mediapart, published an interview with Hollande, in which he said: “It was the Indian government that proposed this group (Reliance), and Dassault which negotiated with Ambani. We did not have a choice, we took the interlocutor who was given to us.”
The guy who runs the blog seems to be ex-Indian mil, his articles seem to reflect his knowledge of what's going on there. Broadsword
 
...Does Rafale have AESA and Meteor integration?
French jets have both AESA and partial Meteor integration which is being upgraded to full integration over the next few years. I understand that India will also get these features idc which in my view is rather unfortunate given Indian loyalties and their close relationship with Russia.

Regards,
MM
 
does the undercarriage have mud flaps or have ground been trained not to shit on the runway ?
In fairness, the Indian AF is a very effective and professional service these days.

Regards,
MM
 
French jets have both AESA and partial Meteor integration which is being upgraded to full integration over the next few years. I understand that India will also get these features idc which in my view is rather unfortunate given Indian loyalties and their close relationship with Russia.

Regards,
MM
Is the unfortunate for AESA, Meteor or both?
 
Are we still subbing them a few hundred million each year?
 
I understand that India will also get these features idc which in my view is rather unfortunate given Indian loyalties and their close relationship with Russia.

Regards,
MM
Why? They are only seeming to diversify their bets, maybe not in everyone's best interests but they have always played both sides. They seem to have bought a zillion dollars of my country's hardware in the recent times.
 
Why? They are only seeming to diversify their bets, maybe not in everyone's best interests but they have always played both sides. They seem to have bought a zillion dollars of my country's hardware in the recent times.
Stop Trumping up the numbers ffs.
 
Is the unfortunate for AESA, Meteor or both?
Meteor primarily.

Why? They are only seeming to diversify their bets, maybe not in everyone's best interests but they have always played both sides. They seem to have bought a zillion dollars of my country's hardware in the recent times.
I couldn’t care less about India diversifying their bets; I do care about protecting our technology!

Are we still subbing them a few hundred million each year?
£60M last financial year with £58M forecast for this one.

Personally, I don’t believe any state capable of funding a national manned space programme, a military larger than our own and nuclear weapons should get a penny. Then again, I’m just an old-fashioned chap!

Regards,
MM
 
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I couldn’t care less about India diversifying their bets; I do care about protecting our technology!
Then don't give it to them! They were your ex-empire and everything but for Chrissakes don't do it then. Tell your politicos to not do it. Apparently cash is the biz, just like everywhere else.
 
Then don't give it to them! They were your ex-empire and everything but for Chrissakes don't do it then. Tell your politicos to not do it. Apparently cash is the biz, just like everywhere else.
Rafale is French and Meteor is European.

It’s not just the UK’s call!

Regards,
MM
 
I think he meant the aid not Meteor.

Is there a ship version of Meteor like the Aim-120?

All of a sudden our primary defense/ attack missile for Tiffy seems a potential weak link if the Ruskies have a good look at it! I see your concerns.
 

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