Independent Discusses No10 Seminar on Forces Future

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Experts believe he is likely to need slightly more soldiers, and in more flexible formations. Most specialists will have to have a dual role as infantry, to undertake peacekeeping and security, outright war, and humanitarian missions. In all, the UK needs a working ground force of around 125,000. Today the fully trained strength of the Army is around 95,000. The 125,000 could be made up of about 110,000 regulars and 15,000 permanently deployable reservists.

The traditionalists will be hit hard. It must be possible to move men and women between units and career paths with the ease of a big army like that of the United States. "There are too many private armies within our forces," a planner at the MoD said privately recently. One such "private army" is the Royal Marines, which has more than 100 lieutenant colonels, yet fields a force the size of a medium infantry brigade, plus a clutch of small specialist units like the Special Boat Service.

The Navy guards the Marines jealously but it would be more cost-effective to make it part of the Army. The same might go for the RAF Regiment.

The Navy might also have to wave goodbye to the project to build two aircraft carriers of over 50,000 tons. It is now evident it is stretching the UK's capacity to build such ships - the welding alone would require a huge import of labour from Poland. The Navy in its present diminished state probably does not have the manpower to man or maintain such vessels - and by all accounts underestimated the crew levels in the original prospectus. Instead of the projected 1,500, they will need at least 3,000.
Is this the way HM Forces iwill be forced to go? Or do we take what the Independent calls the Traditionalist view?

The Independent Article
 
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Probably neither. Both assume a large increase in additional funding. Go back and re-read the title and sub-title of that article.

Brown's new model army

Tony Blair has given his likely successor a problem - find £15bn extra a year to fund the new forces that the top brass are demanding. Robert Fox and Francis Elliott on the fight for a better military
Now where's that £15bn going to come from???

Neue Arbeit has a major problem with cash flow on both a personal and a government level.

From the same issue of the Independent:

Britain's richest man offers Labour a £2m bail-out

Lakshmi Mittal, Britain's richest man, was last night reported to have offered Labour a £2m bail-out. The donation from the Indian-born billionaire would help the party stave off financial ruin caused by the cash-for-honours scandal.

Cont/...
And from your favourite newspaper:

Police cut frontline officers in cash crisis

Police forces across the country are to cut the number of officers because of a government squeeze on funding.

Cont/...
I particularly liked this paragraph...

The Home Office paved the way for the cuts last month by quietly abandoning strict controls on officer head counts.
Strange how that piece of news was kept quiet. :x
 
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Come on folks, are any of us who post on here surprised by any of the news of late from this incompetent government??

Brown detests the military and old Bliar will seem tame in comparison to what old feck-face will probably do to the overstretched, under-funded and undervalued military.

If he ditches the 2 new carriers, then he has fecked us over and the military will never regain its former standing in the world :thumbdown:
 
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dui-lai said:
Come on folks, are any of us who post on here surprised by any of the news of late from this incompetent government??

Brown detests the military and old Bliar will seem tame in comparison to what old feck-face will probably do to the overstretched, under-funded and undervalued military.

If he ditches the 2 new carriers, then he has fecked us over and the military will never regain its former standing in the world :thumbdown:
Well, I've never been in the military (as my sig indicates) but, from my days as a management consultant, I can offer one thought gleaned in response to the excessive cost cutting zeal of the early '90's.. "No one ever downsized to greatness".

Its a lesson for the Government perhaps?
 

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