Increased Racism on the Site

In fact by keep pointing out that there was only a tiny number ( you can only name one apparently ) of Muslims willing to speak out only proves the opposite of the false picture you're trying to promote that the Muslim community was already dealing with this .
Im a fan of Majid Naawaz (spelling) He is very vocal on this and the issue of anti Semitism - as you would expect he receives some backlash from within his own community - but by far the biggest culprits for vilifying him and calling him a Zionist or an islamaphobe tend to proudly display or sign off with JC4PM etc.

This got me wondering

Those that come forward risk or at least fear they will receive backlash within their community.

The far right well we know what they will do TR will be outside the local mosque pointing at random muslims demanding to know why the police havent arrested the people they are currently arresting.

Then we get to the british far left - Your muslim man knows he has got to dodge community anger, deal with racist mongs and then when he looks on social media at prominent muslims who speak out - he sees them labelled traitors and scum by the very people who purport to be supporting them against discrimination.

Is it any wonder theres a reluctance to come forward - The mail savages you if you dont and the Canary if you do
 
I see your point and accept your argument viz his position - and I concede that perhaps because I dont think like that - I sometimes forget others do

I maintain my position however in the larger picture and suggest this here perhaps reinforces my point - we are now so used to being beaten over the head with " (You other) White people (who dont worship Corbyn)** your racist" on social media weve got to the point now we see it as the default position.

**Yeah convoluted brackets - but im trying to avoid giving the impression its minorities saying this - when most of the time it isn't.
I like who I like and dislike who I dislike, have been known to revisit but certainly don't let media tell me what I should feel.

The team I work in is truly international, based in the UK, Germany, Holland, Belgium and now we have the US and Oz as well. As with yourself and jets I'd imagine, doesn't matter where someone comes from, can they do the job?

The campaigners various don't annoy me, some are good and others are self serving ****. I hardly notice them.
 
it’s really not, demographically at least. Unless you think 80% plus of the population are male and 18-45.

and no, you’re not racist for pointing out being escorted around a club for fear of being filled in is racist. hating racism is about wanting nobody to have to be chaperoned for fear of being filled in due to the colour of their skin.
The point is that demographically (and necessarily), the army has to take its recruits from largely the male sector of society - ignoring the Grey Mafia, WRAC and other female units - nevertheless, those recruits come from all backgrounds as I saw when I was in training - and later as I rose from the lowly pit of sapper to the exalted position of being called "Mister" by the officer class. During that period I had a mate who was a non-ethnic Brit but despite what he described as having to endure the "usual banter" he told me that, "my background and skin colour has been no barrier to promotion" he served in the REME the for a number of years, became an artificer and continued serving until being commissioned as a Captain and then rising to senior rank.

As a Cpl, in 50 Fd Sqn, I found that a black bloke had been posted into my troop. I went and introduced myself and asked him what his name was - the name he wanted to be known as (Taff, Scouse, Paddy Johno etc). He responded with a very surly, " me names Jones, man". Of course, after that he was always known as "Jonesman" which he hated, We, my section and I tried to involve him in our activities, social and otherwise, but he preferred to be an outsider. His idea was that we would all conform to his preferences which were mainly to listen to reggae music (at unsociable hours) and "give me mah space, man". He was eventually sent to the gym as an assistant PTI and then disapeared. No doubt an embittered human being.

My real point is that anyone joining the army has to fit in. The army doesn't have to accommodate them.

I had to endure a couple of years of pi ss taking and general fuckwittery because I have a name which most English people find hard to pronounce - it's Polish. But because I just ignored it and was a member of the team, when things got difficult, I found that my section and troop were solidly behind me - in some cases, they were in front of me.

In one particular troop I was a member of we had a West Indian bloke who was very shy and because of his skin colour was given the name of Snowflake . I know that the hated it, but bit by bit he came out of his shell and became rather proud of his nickname which was changed to, "SF". If anyone outside our troop asked him what it meant, he would just say "special Forces" and our guys would just say, "don't f uck with him".

We had a driver who was dusky so his nickname was "Chogy". He didn't care. He was one of us. He was not the brightest of blokes but he tried, so we all helped him out when he needed it because we knew that when the sh1t hit the fan the was right there with us. I got him out of jail one night in London - nothing serious, drunken disorderly, but in those days the police had common sense and I gave my personal guarantee that I would take him back to camp and ensure that he didn't transgress again.

There is no place in the army for political correctness. The blokes in the army have a way of levelling people. It might not fit with the pseudo Marxist liberal crap that exists in the civilian sector but when you are in deep crap and the sh1t is flying about your ears you don't care about what colour, creed or background someone is, you just need them to pass the ammo, fix bayonets or do whatever is necessary to support the team effort.
 
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Keeping pointing out that one high profile Muslim , Nadir Afzal, was trying to get the grooming scandal exposed doesn't make any difference to the big picture. In fact by keep pointing out that there was only a tiny number ( you can only name one apparently ) of Muslims willing to speak out only proves the opposite of the false picture you're trying to promote that the Muslim community was already dealing with this .
Here's the big picture you button mashing drooler.

Up to 450 paedophiles arrested a month in UK as internet drives ‘explosion’ of child sex abuse
 
Im a fan of Majid Naawaz (spelling) He is very vocal on this and the issue of anti Semitism - as you would expect he receives some backlash from within his own community - but by far the biggest culprits for vilifying him and calling him a Zionist or an islamaphobe tend to proudly display or sign off with JC4PM etc.

This got me wondering

Those that come forward risk or at least fear they will receive backlash within their community.

The far right well we know what they will do TR will be outside the local mosque pointing at random muslims demanding to know why the police havent arrested the people they are currently arresting.

Then we get to the british far left - Your muslim man knows he has got to dodge community anger, deal with racist mongs and then when he looks on social media at prominent muslims who speak out - he sees them labelled traitors and scum by the very people who purport to be supporting them against discrimination.

Is it any wonder theres a reluctance to come forward - The mail savages you if you dont and the Canary if you do
You're talking about a significant minority of the Labour Party, who hijacked the party a few years back. Much like the ERG has hijacked the Conservative party - a pox on both their houses.
 

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Keeping pointing out that one high profile Muslim , Nadir Afzal, was trying to get the grooming scandal exposed doesn't make any difference to the big picture. In fact by keep pointing out that there was only a tiny number ( you can only name one apparently ) of Muslims willing to speak out only proves the opposite of the false picture you're trying to promote that the Muslim community was already dealing with this .

I'm not trying to promote any pictures at all - just pointing out one of the good guys. The fact that 'ordinary' Muslims don't bang on about the crimes their fellow religionists are committing is that they don't know about them in the same way that I don't know what the local white dealers are getting up to.
 
In one particular troop I was a member of we had a West Indian bloke who was very shy and because of his skin colour was given the name of Snowflake . I know that the hated it, but bit by bit he came out of his shell

There is no place in the army for political correctness.
that doesn’t sound much like good leadership or teamwork to me.
 
There is no specific law about holocaust denial (and I never said there was). Attitudes such as holocaust denial are simply covered by hate speech law:

Alison Chabloz was convicted under this criteria last year.
 
I'm not trying to promote any pictures at all - just pointing out one of the good guys. The fact that 'ordinary' Muslims don't bang on about the crimes their fellow religionists are committing is that they don't know about them in the same way that I don't know what the local white dealers are getting up to.
In don't think anyone who is seriously anti Islam believes there is not one " good one ". It doesn't make any difference to the dangerous ideology of Islam.

Nadir Afsal isnt popular in the Muslim community , he's had death threats from them and is persona non grata. Like the mayor of London he claims to be Muslim but believes in human rights totally forbidden under Islam.
 
that doesn’t sound much like good leadership or teamwork to me.
Well, it wouldn't because you have no experience io the reality of military service, or of teamwork. That which I describe is not about "leadership", its about the reality of people working under the reality of arduous conditions, not of about spending a weekend in Wales in a hotel with a lifestyle leadership guru playing games. The military isn't a job, it is a way of life. It s hard, uncompromising and dangerous. If all you are worried about are your own preconceived silly prejudices then you are unlikely to survive. If you can endure the slings and arrows of rough humour and robust banter, then you will be a man, my son*.

*Edited to add: Other sexual, neutral or diversities are available.
 
Which you have yet to prove.

And which the epithets of “woke” “snowflake” seem to disagree with.

In the same way you seem to be deflecting from generational shifts in attitude and racism being abhorrent.
I can prove it, I can provide plenty of links to youngsters being prejudiced
Maybe those stats are from all those old kids?


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There were snowflakes 25 years, the difference was everyone laughed at them for being bellends, today the media gives them attention.

Once again there has been little shift,





 
Well, it wouldn't because you have no experience io the reality of military service, or of teamwork. That which I describe is not about "leadership", its about the reality of people working under the reality of arduous conditions, not of about spending a weekend in Wales in a hotel with a lifestyle leadership guru playing games. The military isn't a job, it is a way of life. It s hard, uncompromising and dangerous. If all you are worried about are your own preconceived silly prejudices then you are unlikely to survive. If you can endure the slings and arrows of rough humour and robust banter, then you will be a man, my son*.

*Edited to add: Other sexual, neutral or diversities are available.
would you care to demonstrate how I have no experience of the reality of military experience or teamwork?
 
I like who I like and dislike who I dislike, have been known to revisit but certainly don't let media tell me what I should feel.

The team I work in is truly international, based in the UK, Germany, Holland, Belgium and now we have the US and Oz as well. As with yourself and jets I'd imagine, doesn't matter where someone comes from, can they do the job?

The campaigners various don't annoy me, some are good and others are self serving ****. I hardly notice them.
You dislike everybody, who doesn't fit your prescribed view of the world and why you spend so much of time slagging people off, than most....... I argue that racism is a meaningless word.

For the fact, that in a military situation. You can have the worst kind of white supremacist and an individual of any colour, or religion of equal hateful attitude and they're will form a bond of friendship, out of shared adversity and fear..

Humanity advances when it evolves at a natural pace and rather than take that path, those in power chose to advance the agenda, out of a need, due to losing control of the flow.. The sorry state we have today is largely self-inflicted and revolution will never work, as it only creates more hate.
 
I can prove it, I can provide plenty of links to youngsters being prejudiced
Maybe those stats are from all those old kids?


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There were snowflakes 25 years, the difference was everyone laughed at them for being bellends, today the media gives them attention.

Once again there has been little shift,





no, you are cherry picking.

 
would you care to demonstrate how I have no experience of the reality of military experience or teamwork?
I would prefer you to demonstrate your experience in the reality of military experience of teamwork. Please enlighten us. The stage is yours.
 
no, you are cherry picking.

"Cherry picking" putting up links to something that fraudster doesnt want to beleive.

You allude in post 516 that you do have military experience, so you would know, for example, what the majority of your young African, Caribbean and Fijian soldiers thinks of gays?
 
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would you care to demonstrate how I have no experience of the reality of military experience or teamwork?
It's just one of the standard "Someone disagrees with me and I have no comeback" responses. Others include:

  • You're a Bugsy / Bravo Bravo / Spider sock
  • You're an alcoholic
  • "Lefty libtard"
  • Snowflake
  • "XRW lunatic"
...and so on.
 
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