Improving the RQMS

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simmer

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#1
Very serious question here. If there were 10 things that could be improved about getting hold of kit (uniform) from the RQMS, what would they be in your humble opinion and what are your top 5 issues with the current service?
 
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simmer said:
Very serious question here. If there were 10 things that could be improved about getting hold of kit (uniform) from the RQMS, what would they be in your humble opinion and what are your top 5 issues with the current service?
wah or not? :p

1. Get it out of their damned heads that kit is there to be used (i.e. issued) and not just stored.
2. Get their records sorted out! (I was refused kit for my first tour of telic due to their records saying I'd been issued 2 complete sets of telic winter tour kit already forcing me to srounge around my mates for any spare kit)
3. Get rid of clothing stores bods who have a mahoosive chip on their shoulder and treat people below them rankwise like shite (the bod at my unit is a full screw )
4. Get bods in who admit they make mistakes from time to time and would actually do their job properly (ref point nos. 2 and 3)
5. Get the bod in the clothing store to actually open up at the times set (stock checks are not required all the time. And there's only so much stock to be checked).
6. How's about having the RQMS who will actually investigate complaints against their clothing store bod?
7. An RQMS who doesn't have that "short mans complex" about him :p
8. Lucy pinder clones for the RQMS posts and sophie howard clones for the clothing stores bods :wink:

alright...so that's 8 and most of them were against the clothing storeman. And 2 weren't really that serious (I'll leave it to you to decide which ones!)
 
#3
Rename the 'Stores' to 'Supplies'

msr
 
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simmer

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#4
So if you could order kit direct from the source and packaged in a little box with your name rank and serial number on it for you to pick up, or beter still, to be delivered to an address of your choice (instead of having to join the happy band of smiling faces in a neat line waiting to be told to sod off), what do you see as the main benefits for todays humble fighting man?
 
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simmer said:
So if you could order kit direct from the source and packaged in a little box with your name rank and serial number on it for you to pick up, or beter still, to be delivered to an address of your choice (instead of having to join the happy band of smiling faces in a neat line waiting to be told to sod off), what do you see as the main benefits for todays humble fighting man?
nice, but then where the f**k do we get buckshee kit from then eh? :D
 
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If I told you why I was aksing I may have to shoot myself. Its a really really really serious question. I can smell change in the air about how kit is issued and I am looking for some serious coment and input as it may be of benefit to the (collective) you................ honest gov. trust me.
 
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Sensesworkingovertime said:
simmer said:
So if you could order kit direct from the source and packaged in a little box with your name rank and serial number on it for you to pick up, or beter still, to be delivered to an address of your choice (instead of having to join the happy band of smiling faces in a neat line waiting to be told to sod off), what do you see as the main benefits for todays humble fighting man?
nice, but then where the f**k do we get buckshee kit from then eh? :D
Sorry mate. missed answering the question - you would use your initiative. Creativity is the lifeblood of the british army.....................
 
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simmer said:
If I told you why I was aksing I may have to shoot myself. Its a really really really serious question. I can smell change in the air about how kit is issued and I am looking for some serious coment and input as it may be of benefit to the (collective) you................ honest gov. trust me.
Wasn't this idea on Armynet a few months back? I can't remember who it was, but there were a few units trialling the system.
 
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Tartan_Terrier said:
simmer said:
If I told you why I was aksing I may have to shoot myself. Its a really really really serious question. I can smell change in the air about how kit is issued and I am looking for some serious coment and input as it may be of benefit to the (collective) you................ honest gov. trust me.
Wasn't this idea on Armynet a few months back? I can't remember who it was, but there were a few units trialling the system.
Clever lad! Intelligence by any chance? Just after a view. on a slightly different note as I'm wathcing the news. Condolina Rice or Obamas Mrs?
 
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Tartan_Terrier said:
simmer said:
If I told you why I was aksing I may have to shoot myself. Its a really really really serious question. I can smell change in the air about how kit is issued and I am looking for some serious coment and input as it may be of benefit to the (collective) you................ honest gov. trust me.
Wasn't this idea on Armynet a few months back? I can't remember who it was, but there were a few units trialling the system.
3000 blokes using the trial system so I believe. Don't know what units were trialling it. Just after a view re top ten and top 5 (see first post)
 

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#11
Check http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Clothing_Store for how it shouldn't be done.

Stop giving an important post to mongs. The seniors need to keep on top of him and keep him in line, remind him of his job.

I think the Stores should operate like a shop. You want something extra? Fine. Get billed the percentage for it and it's yours. If I want six sets of combat 95's, fine. I should be able to order the extras and just pay the percent.
Still have to account for it mind, or else I get charged a higher rate to replace it, so as to avoid people doing a reseller trade.
 
#12
Its a frame of mind thing from the top down.

When I was the RQ (95-97) as far as I was concerned any bloke could have kit above the standard scale provided it was justified and we accounted for it correctly, the scale being in Mat Regs as a general guide. Its up to the QM/RQ to interpret the rules and adjust according to the individual unit situation where necessary.

Some gucci DPM Goretex waterproofs arrived by mistake(Our Regt were not entitled). There was just enough to equip Recce Troop and I reckoned they would be put to good use, so we took the goretex to account and issued it to Recce Troop (The surprise on their faces was unbelieveable). A justifiable action under Mat Regs but how many QMs departments would have returned them through the system or kitted out the QMs department first?

The CO came into the clothing store one day and asked the clothing storeman if he could have an extra combat jacket. The clothing storeman replied "Yes sir but you must sign for it of course" CO smiled and happily signed, everyone happy and proper accounting procedures were seen to be done. The few troopers in the queue behind the CO were happy too because they saw that the rules were being equally applied.

In my view there are no really bad RQMS or SQMS but there are good and great RQMS/SQMS. The good RQMS/SQMS gets the right rations, fuel, ammo, clothing, spares etc to the right place at the right time in the right quantity as per the job description. The Great RQMS/SQMS does that bit extra to make life better for his people without expecting anything in return other than going home at night with the satisfaction that he made a difference.

I am not sure I was a great RQ but I tried to make a difference. I use the examples above to illustrate that the way the QMs is run is down to the frame of mind of those leading it (Cpl F***dust in the clothing store is only applying the policies of his QM/RQ). As someone said (or meant to say) at the start of this thread "get it into their thick heads that the kit is there to be used and not to be sat on the shelf in nice neat rows gathering dust".
 
#13
How about raising the Rank Ceiling of Storemen within the Corps (RSigs and REME I know about, not sure about others) so that an RQMS is actually an experienced supply specialist, instead of a RD bod getting a tick in the box before his promotion to RSM?

Another idea would be to actually train them! My last two RQMS's were in post for over 12 months before actually being loaded onto an RQMS course!!!!!
 
#14
To be honest im trying to think of sensible useful things rather than griping against our clothing store bird (you know the type shuts early for "NAAFI" even though she's eaten her foot long sub 20 minutes ago).
How about being able to order online and be billed via your wages (say for instance you know a certain unit gets a certain type of torch and even though its 30 quid and a "c" class item you cant demand as some bloke who doesnt go out in the dark on exercise decides you cant have them).
As for 10 things I dont think I can mate we got our kit for Telic with ease in one door round the hanger out the other sign here it still works.
 
#15
How about letting the QM be what he is - the wise old man the CO can depend upon to equip his unit to deploy. Why not put RLC in there to be the 'pro loggy' rather than the fat, lame and lazy who end up populating it? The changes in Joint Logs and the systems used would support this and will go against the 'mine - not yours or the systems' mentality. Stop putting amateurs in the Supply Chain and it will work far better for you.
 
#16
Ah the age old put a loggy in and you will get a proper service. Sorry I cant subscribe to that school of thought and I never thought of myself as an amateur. I was brought up with a CES in my hand from when I was a Trooper. I understood about accountability and G1098 ledgers etc. In the RAC thats how every soldier is brought up. On day one arriving at his regiment he is handed a CES and made to sign for his tools. Thereafter he is accountable.

I was also brought up in the ethos of every man must be tank crew trained as he is a BCR and still subscribe to that school of thought.

Can an RLC soldier posted in for 2 years after 10 years at some supply depot or other really understand needs and wants, and the idiosynchrasies that go with being teeth arm. To that end he will take time to understand the regiment's day to day needs and may never fully embrace the full role of the QMs in a front line unit. Time which might be crucial (Think of all the peculiar to regiment functions - ceremonials and custodial roles) The looking after the needs and forecasting problems.

The way it works is fine, willing and well intentioned professional QMs and RQs supported by loggy advice and assistance at Bde and Div level is the right way.

Granted there are varying qualities in Quartermastering from regiment to regiment, but thats down to the individual and it is unlikely to be different if it were an RLC cap badge in the job.
 
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HEART_STOPPER said:
How about being able to order online and be billed via your wages (say for instance you know a certain unit gets a certain type of torch and even though its 30 quid and a "c" class item you cant demand as some bloke who doesnt go out in the dark on exercise decides you cant have them).
H_S you are onto something.

I spent 6 1/2 years in the RE, then transferred to the Canadian Army. Once I was kitted out and sorted out all the admin, I was directed to a website, where, once your service details are accepted, you can order items of clothing online, and have them delivered anywhere you want. You get a 200 point allocation annually (which rolls over), and items such as wool socks are 6 points, beret's 10 points, so on and so forth. The only problem is it is limited in scope, at the moment you cannot order 'CADPAT' material (combats) or any sort of field kit, it's only for PT kit, next to skin items, and dress uniforms/No 2's, but I think the plan is to expand this system gradually.

This relieves alot of work for the front desk storemen at clothing stores, as they now only have to worry about operational clothing.
 
#18
RogerOut! said:
Ah the age old put a loggy in and you will get a proper service. Sorry I cant subscribe to that school of thought and I never thought of myself as an amateur. I was brought up with a CES in my hand from when I was a Trooper. I understood about accountability and G1098 ledgers etc. In the RAC thats how every soldier is brought up. On day one arriving at his regiment he is handed a CES and made to sign for his tools. Thereafter he is accountable. That isn't logistics
I was also brought up in the ethos of every man must be tank crew trained as he is a BCR and still subscribe to that school of thought.

Can an RLC soldier posted in for 2 years after 10 years at some supply depot or other really understand needs and wants, and the idiosynchrasies that go with being teeth arm. To that end he will take time to understand the regiment's day to day needs and may never fully embrace the full role of the QMs in a front line unit. Time which might be crucial (Think of all the peculiar to regiment functions - ceremonials and custodial roles) The looking after the needs and forecasting problems. I don't say replace the QM - just give him a proper Loggy to do his loggy stuff for him.

The way it works is fine, willing and well intentioned professional QMs and RQs supported by loggy advice and assistance at Bde and Div level is the right way. No it isn't and it will be changing, quite dramatically, in the coming years.

Granted there are varying qualities in Quartermastering from regiment to regiment, but thats down to the individual and it is unlikely to be different if it were an RLC cap badge in the job. Those differences are needed, but the QM should have them underpinned by having a loggy working for him to get the very best out of the rest of the system, which is run by loggies
The QM has his role - but I want him to be supported by someone who provides the right service. If I want arty, I go to arty, if I want sparky, I go to REME. Corps exist for very good reasons and should be allowed to provide a service.
 

ugly

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#19
extechstmn said:
How about raising the Rank Ceiling of Storemen within the Corps (RSigs and REME I know about, not sure about others) so that an RQMS is actually an experienced supply specialist, instead of a RD bod getting a tick in the box before his promotion to RSM?

Another idea would be to actually train them! My last two RQMS's were in post for over 12 months before actually being loaded onto an RQMS course!!!!!
Thats like the mythical army catering course isnt it, how long do you need to be trained to tell everyone to feck off and earn your mbe?
 
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