Imperial War Museum has to apologise for WOKE anti Churchill Rant on remembrance sunday

The museum, never a "must", enjoyed a brief popularity, as several hundred Trip Adviser 1* (and I don't mean brigadier level) reviews hit before Trip Adviser locked it. As the article says, the woke curator went pretty soon after.

With all of this stuff, if you don't like it moan....Fill in the comment cards, review etc. I have dealings with several tourist attractions and they watch the various review sites. They'll ignore the obvious green crayon stuff but if lots of visitors complain about the same thing they will take note.

Over the river, the National Army Museum is getting back to being a military museum. The management eventually realised that the promised new audiences weren't going appear and annoying the existing ones was a mistake. It'll take a while, as the ill-judged refurb cost tens of millions of pounds, but at least they've started to correct the mess the consultants, and former Director, made.

Excellent. Looks like the council did get rid of her (eh, the outrage bus was moving fast and I had to run to catch it?).
What’s amazing (or maybe not) is she is another champagne socialist (maybe).

Rich parents. Private education. Top university. Married to a banker. Doesn’t have a ‘real’ job. Offers advice on defacing political figures.
Has Joe Biden asked her back to the US to work in his government?
 

Cutaway

LE
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What’s amazing (or maybe not) is she is another champagne socialist (maybe).

Rich parents. Private education. Top university. Married to a banker. Doesn’t have a ‘real’ job. Offers advice on defacing political figures.
Has Joe Biden asked her back to the US to work in his government?
She's unavailable for comment at the moment as she has been busy rending her garments and writhing in ashes on hearing Kyle Rittenhouse was tried by facts rather than feelings.
 

Hexi Bloke

War Hero
And because you all wanna see what it’s like and how it performs, here’s a YouTube treat for you.
Enjoys!




Personally, I think it tries too hard to be woke, ‘on vibe’, London centric, anti establishment etc.
It doesn’t have its own mind, is easily coerced by socialist ideology.
If it wasn’t a lefty, it’d be a NAZI.
WTF was that all about. She's a right minger.. init.. like.. bruv.
 

ancienturion

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Over the river, the National Army Museum is getting back to being a military museum. The management eventually realised that the promised new audiences weren't going appear and annoying the existing ones was a mistake. It'll take a while, as the ill-judged refurb cost tens of millions of pounds, but at least they've started to correct the mess the consultants, and former Director, made.
I just don't believe any of that knowing that when those sort of people get their claws in they are there for good regardless of weasel words.
 


UK arts professionals are voicing support for Madeline Odent, a curator at the Royston and District Museum and Art Gallery in Hertfordshire, who sparked controversy after discussing on social media substances that could be used to damage bronze statues. Odent posted a series of tweets to her personal account after Black Lives Matter demonstrators toppled a statue of slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol and historic statues worldwide come under scrutiny.

Odent wrote on Twitter: “From an art conservation perspective, it’s honestly fine to throw paint on memorials of genocidal racists! Paint is pretty easy to clean off. What would be an absolute shame is if people were to throw certain common household items that can cause irreversible bronze disease.”

The tweets continue: “Because like, if somebody were to, idk, throw a ton of tomatoes at a bust of a genocidal racist, nobody would probably notice the chemical reaction until it was too late to save the artefact.”

A relationship manager for Arts Council England who oversees the funding body’s portfolio of museums in the east of England, also backs Odent on Twitter on a personal account, saying: “On top of this just being amusingly written, the curator in question does excellent work. She has worked hard to improve engagement with the museum. We fully support her.”

And this person worked in a museum where they're meant to preserve history ffs.
Can I assume she's OK with me attacking Gandhi's statue using her advice because of his racist views against people of African origin?
 


UK arts professionals are voicing support for Madeline Odent, a curator at the Royston and District Museum and Art Gallery in Hertfordshire, who sparked controversy after discussing on social media substances that could be used to damage bronze statues. Odent posted a series of tweets to her personal account after Black Lives Matter demonstrators toppled a statue of slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol and historic statues worldwide come under scrutiny.

Odent wrote on Twitter: “From an art conservation perspective, it’s honestly fine to throw paint on memorials of genocidal racists! Paint is pretty easy to clean off. What would be an absolute shame is if people were to throw certain common household items that can cause irreversible bronze disease.”

The tweets continue: “Because like, if somebody were to, idk, throw a ton of tomatoes at a bust of a genocidal racist, nobody would probably notice the chemical reaction until it was too late to save the artefact.”

A relationship manager for Arts Council England who oversees the funding body’s portfolio of museums in the east of England, also backs Odent on Twitter on a personal account, saying: “On top of this just being amusingly written, the curator in question does excellent work. She has worked hard to improve engagement with the museum. We fully support her.”

And this person worked in a museum where they're meant to preserve history ffs.
What is shocking, to me at least, is that (sections of) "the museum world" rallied behind her.
Or I am more naive and optimistic than I thought.
And yes she is indeed loaded, not to say posh. Admittedly the American variety but they did at least used to aspire to a sort of noblesse oblige nowadays they are... well, least said. (Jeez, these people will have turned me into a raving class warrior by the time they're finished).
Nevertheless, when I lived in Spain I certainly didn't slag off the country I was a guest in. Tried my best to fit in and get alle meine stempels in D.Land. Etc.
Is it too much to ask for a baseline level of respect from foreign guests? Especially one so privileged.
 
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oldnotbold

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I just don't believe any of that knowing that when those sort of people get their claws in they are there for good regardless of weasel words.
There's a way to go but Justin Maciejewski seems to be making a difference as director; the Formation gallery is at least an effort to tell a story rather than the messy themed approach adopted during the rebuild; the temporary exhibitions - such as that on BAOR - and their online stuff are pretty good.

 
What is shocking, to me at least, is that (sections of) "the museum world" rallied behind her.
Or I am more naive and optimistic than I thought.
And yes she is indeed loaded, not to say posh. Admittedly the American variety but they did at least used to aspire to a sort of noblesse oblige nowadays they are... well, least said. (Jeez, these people will have turned me into a raving class warrior by the time they're finished).
Nevertheless, when I lived in Spain I certainly didn't slag off the country I was a guest in. Tried my best to fit in and get alle meine stempels in D.Land. Etc.
Is it too much to ask for a baseline level of respect from foreign guests? Especially one so privileged.

Fat chance, the good manners of not insulting your host country and "when in Rome" went out the window long ago. Mind you, there's plenty of ex pats in Spain who don't follow those rules.

It's de-rigueur nowadays to come from a second/third world shyt hole with an utterly corrupt government and then slate the UK and Western countries over their history, culture and anything else. Just ask any Russian living here or recent immigrant or BAME type what they think about Churchill. The recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a favourite too.

Naturally, these useful idiots overlook the evils of the Taliban, Saddam, China, Islam and Putin.

We live in a world where everyone speaks English, but English manners are non existent.
 
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theoriginalphantom

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Pagan-Image

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I couldn't find anything on the IWM performance but this came up looking for MC Angel.

Is this the party involved?

Yup that the skip rat!

Grown up a bit since then, and transformed into full soap dodging frizzy haired hippy.
 
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Pagan-Image

Old-Salt
Hmm, I finally got a response to my emailed complaint.

Shame its a copy paste of the media trained twaddle that was given to the Daily Wail.

Thank you for contacting us with your feedback about Breaking the Silence and in particular the performance, which followed the two minute silence at IWM London on Remembrance Sunday.

Imperial War Museums (IWM) has been working with young people since 2018 to facilitate Breaking the Silence, an annual programme that takes place at both IWM London and IWM North, exploring the relevance of Remembrance today. For four years, we have offered a platform for the voices of 11 – 18 year olds to engage with our collections and share their perspectives on war and conflict.

Presenting the cause, course and consequence of war from the First World War to the present day, IWM’s challenging remit attracts multiple view points and opinions. We do, however, recognise that Remembrance Sunday at IWM London, with the meaning it holds for different people, was not the moment to share this particular iteration of Breaking the Silence. We are therefore very sorry for the upset that we have caused.

As an organisation founded during the First World War, IWM has always dealt with difficult subjects relating to war and conflict, and we continue to do so to this day. By working with young people on performances like Breaking the Silence, we ensure that different perspectives on Remembrance are shared, helping both participants and visitors to explore their own attitudes towards Remembrance today. By offering this prominent platform to young people we hope to remove and reduce barriers to make the museum, and the important stories it holds, open to everyone.

We will continue to ensure that IWM remains a space where important debates and discussions can take place, and we continue to be committed to sharing perspectives, as well as hearing different viewpoints from multiple voices, but do recognise that we made a mistake in the timing of this event, for which we do again apologise.

Please also be assured that I have forwarded your feedback with your request that any images, videos or photographs from this event that you are included in should not be displayed or shown, as well as your offer to share your experiences and viewpoint as a veteran with the young people involved in the Breaking the Silence event.

Trusting to your continued support for IWM.

With kind regards,

Alison
Customer Services Manager


Imperial War Museum
T:
0207 416 5000
 
Hmm, I finally got a response to my emailed complaint.

Shame its a copy paste of the media trained twaddle that was given to the Daily Wail.

Thank you for contacting us with your feedback about Breaking the Silence and in particular the performance, which followed the two minute silence at IWM London on Remembrance Sunday.

Imperial War Museums (IWM) has been working with young people since 2018 to facilitate Breaking the Silence, an annual programme that takes place at both IWM London and IWM North, exploring the relevance of Remembrance today. For four years, we have offered a platform for the voices of 11 – 18 year olds to engage with our collections and share their perspectives on war and conflict.

Presenting the cause, course and consequence of war from the First World War to the present day, IWM’s challenging remit attracts multiple view points and opinions. We do, however, recognise that Remembrance Sunday at IWM London, with the meaning it holds for different people, was not the moment to share this particular iteration of Breaking the Silence. We are therefore very sorry for the upset that we have caused.

As an organisation founded during the First World War, IWM has always dealt with difficult subjects relating to war and conflict, and we continue to do so to this day. By working with young people on performances like Breaking the Silence, we ensure that different perspectives on Remembrance are shared, helping both participants and visitors to explore their own attitudes towards Remembrance today. By offering this prominent platform to young people we hope to remove and reduce barriers to make the museum, and the important stories it holds, open to everyone.

We will continue to ensure that IWM remains a space where important debates and discussions can take place, and we continue to be committed to sharing perspectives, as well as hearing different viewpoints from multiple voices, but do recognise that we made a mistake in the timing of this event, for which we do again apologise.

Please also be assured that I have forwarded your feedback with your request that any images, videos or photographs from this event that you are included in should not be displayed or shown, as well as your offer to share your experiences and viewpoint as a veteran with the young people involved in the Breaking the Silence event.

Trusting to your continued support for IWM.

With kind regards,

Alison
Customer Services Manager

Imperial War Museum
T:
0207 416 5000
waffle.
Pure waffle.
 
Hmm, I finally got a response to my emailed complaint.

Shame its a copy paste of the media trained twaddle that was given to the Daily Wail.

Thank you for contacting us with your feedback about Breaking the Silence and in particular the performance, which followed the two minute silence at IWM London on Remembrance Sunday.

Imperial War Museums (IWM) has been working with young people since 2018 to facilitate Breaking the Silence, an annual programme that takes place at both IWM London and IWM North, exploring the relevance of Remembrance today. For four years, we have offered a platform for the voices of 11 – 18 year olds to engage with our collections and share their perspectives on war and conflict.

Presenting the cause, course and consequence of war from the First World War to the present day, IWM’s challenging remit attracts multiple view points and opinions. We do, however, recognise that Remembrance Sunday at IWM London, with the meaning it holds for different people, was not the moment to share this particular iteration of Breaking the Silence. We are therefore very sorry for the upset that we have caused.

As an organisation founded during the First World War, IWM has always dealt with difficult subjects relating to war and conflict, and we continue to do so to this day. By working with young people on performances like Breaking the Silence, we ensure that different perspectives on Remembrance are shared, helping both participants and visitors to explore their own attitudes towards Remembrance today. By offering this prominent platform to young people we hope to remove and reduce barriers to make the museum, and the important stories it holds, open to everyone.

We will continue to ensure that IWM remains a space where important debates and discussions can take place, and we continue to be committed to sharing perspectives, as well as hearing different viewpoints from multiple voices, but do recognise that we made a mistake in the timing of this event, for which we do again apologise.

Please also be assured that I have forwarded your feedback with your request that any images, videos or photographs from this event that you are included in should not be displayed or shown, as well as your offer to share your experiences and viewpoint as a veteran with the young people involved in the Breaking the Silence event.

Trusting to your continued support for IWM.

With kind regards,

Alison
Customer Services Manager

Imperial War Museum
T:
0207 416 5000

Count the use of the word 'perspective', it's almost at one per paragraph.
 
I couldn't find anything on the IWM performance but this came up looking for MC Angel.

Is this the party involved?

I'm guessing, "Never done a days work in it's life, got a 'qualification' in 'circus performance' or similar, personal income is via grants from various bodies (such as IWM), utterly unemployable, vegan".
 
IWM London went woke years ago tbh. I used to work for them about a decade back at Duxford, it was an awesome job. On St George's Day some of the lads requested that the English flag be flown but the muppets in London said "a form had to be filled in" which was basically the way the commie fkers down there tried to prevent anything remotely patriotic. So there we were on St George's Day at the IWM and we couldn't fly an English flag from the flag pole.

Fortunately, the boss saw sense and decided to override the bs so we did get a flag up. God knows what they flew in London, probably some multi gender rainbow thing.
 
Fat chance, the good manners of not insulting your host country and "when in Rome" went out the window long ago. Mind you, there's plenty of ex pats in Spain who don't follow those rules.

It's de-rigueur nowadays to come from a second/third world shyt hole with an utterly corrupt government and then slate the UK and Western countries over their history, culture and anything else. Just ask any Russian living here or recent immigrant or BAME type what they think about Churchill. The recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a favourite too.

Naturally, these useful idiots overlook the evils of the Taliban, Saddam, China, Islam and Putin.

We live in a world where everyone speaks English, but English manners are non existent.
Spot on about Brit ex pats sadly. I had locals asking if I was Italian or German because I was holding up my end of a conversation making an effort, get my pronunciation at least semi comprehensible and generally to speak and learn Spanish. Sad commentary on Brits abroad.
And yes I have had those convos with foreigners living here, the few Russians I've met are particularly know it all.
Whether or not Afghanistan, Iraq was a good idea, even at the time you'd have thought that we were invading Sweden and not a dictatorship the way people were talking and still talk.
It doesn't occur to a lot of these people that the reason they are so clued up on the myriad crimes of the British is that a certain sort of Brit has gone out of their way to tell the world about it. Usually shorn of context or comparison.
If only there was some sort of institution to educate people about history...
With "BAME" types I generally don't go there and keep to small talk... although my "Indian" friend (he's from Ealing, grew up in Kenya and sounds super posh anyway) I do occasionally put right on his misconceptions on The Raj, Partition etc.
 

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