Immigration rules secretly flexed to meet targets

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  1. Well well. Labour fully back on form again.

    They have learned nothing and never will: lies, spin & deception

    "A leaked secret memo reveals Home Office officials have changed guidelines in order to grant indefinite leave to remain to 40,000 people because it is going to be too difficult to remove them.

    They are among the backlog of 450,000 historic asylum cases which ministers have pledged to clear by 2011, even though the individuals would have faced removal given time.

    The change means some who have been in the country for as little as four years will be allowed to stay because of the delays in processing claims.

    The note also reveals ten of thousands of migrants who should have left the UK as long as a decade ago could still be here because the Home Office has no idea where they are."

    "The memo, from Matthew Coats, the head of immigration for UK Border Agency, is headed "Restricted – Policy. Completion of the legacy exercise" and reveals ministers now want the backlog cleared by December 2010.

    He discusses how to deal with a cohort of 40,000 of the cases "which could not be granted indefinite leave to remain under he current parameters of the operational guidance... but which we will almost certainly not be able to conclude through removal".

    He says the main problem is difficulties in enforcing removals to certain countries and shows that Phil Woolas, the immigration minister, asked whether the cohort should be granted indefinite leave or some form of temporary leave.

    Mr Coats is "loathe to recommend" what would have constituted a specific amnesty for the group, similar to one given to some families in 2004, or country-specific exceptional leave because of the "high profile" of such an approach.

    Instead he suggests changing guidance on current immigration rules that effectively reduces the time individuals have to have been in the UK for them to have a strong case for indefinite leave – from 10-12 years to 6-8 years or even four to six in cases of difficult removal. "



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6274662/Immigration-rules-relaxed-to-allow-tens-of-thousands-to-stay-secret-memo.html
     
  2. Election coming up ... passports for votes.

    If they can grant citizenship to more immigrants than there are voters switching parties in a few key marginals, they may yet win the election.
     
  3. For interest.

    The UAE have, during the past few years, had a couple of amnesties for illegal immigrants. The difference being that illegals who declared themselves under the amnesty were sent home FOC with no legal sanction. Those who did not declare, when found, would be jailed THEN deported.

    Either way - a result.
     
  4. Dear oh dear. Is someone suggesting that the nice Mr. Brown would allow statistics of any description be 'fiddled'?

    He would? Are you sure? For the last twelve years? No - not possible. No, not ever - ever! How very disturbing. I should never have believed it possible.

    Oh! sorry, - that Mr. Brown!
     
  5. Although in theory a great idea it would simply not work here. We do not have the capacity to imprison them and the cost would be crippling to an already overstretched public purse. Believe it or not it is a criminal offence to break the Immigration Rules in certain categories by overstaying your leave, working when you're not supposed, entering illegally etc etc but it is an unwritten fact that the UK Border Agency don't prosecute as it's cheaper to just try and remove the offender.

    And granting 40'000 people Indefinite Leave to Remain is just the tip of the iceberg. There are thousands upon thousands of illegal immigrants that have outstanding cases and most of them will eventually be granted the right to stay here (often on appeal) simply because it takes so long clear the backlog of cases that they have built substantial ties to the UK and removal becomes nigh on impossible.

    Want to fix the immigration problem?

    Then all you need to do is throw unlimited cash and resources at it and untie the hands of Operational Immigration Officers and allow them to use the full range of their powers instead of restricting them with various policy directives on which of their powers they must not use.

    Will it ever happen? No
     
  6. From what I understand, they cannot deport a person to another country unless the deportee has a valid travel document. Consequently the "illegals" destroy all documents. A mate who works at an airport tells me that "illegals" get off planes and hide in the bogs (airside) for hours and flush away their passports, tickets and anything else that give a hint to who they are before going to immigration and claiming they are Somali, Afghan or whatever is the flavour of the month.

    Has anyone been watching UK Border Force on Sky? The number of young fit Afghan guys of military age that are trying to get into the UK is very high. Mrs AT55 keeps asking, "Isn't it silly that our troops are over in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban when all these young Afghan guys are trying to claim asylum in the UK. Why aren't these guys fighting the Taliban?". Silly woman.
     
  7. Not while we have Government by newspaper. Or Government by Someone Else; Brussels and the little grey suits there.

    Perhaps we all need a lesson from the Northern Irish way of doing things, which is based on a tribalism long forgotten in the rest of Europe; "screw the {bastards on the other side of our particular religious/social divide}, we (the good guys) need the cash which you seem determined to throw at us. For sure we'll put it to good use. Youse stupid shits.

    What's that? You want taxes from us, noy? Get away an' fock yersel. Fascist.
     
  8. .[/quote]

    From what I understand, they cannot deport a person to another country unless the deportee has a valid travel document. Consequently the "illegals" destroy all documents. A mate who works at an airport tells me that "illegals" get off planes and hide in the bogs (airside) for hours and flush away their passports, tickets and anything else that give a hint to who they are before going to immigration and claiming they are Somali, Afghan or whatever is the flavour of the month.

    [/quote]

    not just the UK, exactly same thing in Switzerland. known as the 'inconnu', they were born here, oh, yes, legal as you like, but were in a car accident, and lost all their papers, and lost their memories, and , and...

    where do you deport someone who claims to be a legally resident amnesiac?
     
  9. Different countries have different requirements for travel documents. For example an Afghan National is extremely easy to remove as the UK Border Agency can just issue a document stating that we believe this person to be Mohammed Mohammed dob xx/xx/xx from such and such a village and district and away he goes. Once his claim for whatever he came to the UK in the first place is dealt with of course which could take years and providing he is 18 years or older of course. If he is under 18 then chances are he will be allowed to stay here until he is 18.

    Other nationalites such as Indians requires actual Emergency Travel Documents issued by their Embassies and this can literally take months to get.

    The government can tighten up the security at ports and airports as much as it wants but it will never solve the problem. What they need to do is to take away the incentive for people wishing to come here illegally in the first place to work or claim asylum.
     
  10. I suspect the Telegraph has made a mistake with the number of people.

    If there are 40,000 cases, it is likely that some of these will be for entire families. Perhaps only the head of the family has applied for asylum, but if he is allowed to remain, his wife & kids will be too.
     
  11. And there is another interesting way that the government skews the figures. It counts only the head of the family as a statistic when they enter the UK but counts all of the family when they actually remove them from the UK. So those 40'000 will realistically be closer to 80 to 100'000
     
  12. Mate - that just about sums this farking place up....

    Please accept this Nobel peace Prize!
     
  13. Find out were the flight they came in on originated in and send them back to their. All passengers should be filmed as they disembark from the plane, (easy to do), to facilitate this.