Imagine if this was true !!!

#1
Once upon a time groups of Soldiers were trained to visit strange countries and protect noblemen who required very close protection.

In order to help these soldiers do there duty they were given lots of training on various weapons including how to zero them so they could hit what they where aiming at.

When they arrived in there foriegn land they were given the weapons of there trade and told to go and fire them to see if they worked and also to use there training to zero them. This gave the soldiers confidence as they knew there weapons would fire if needed and also that they had a chance of hitting what they were aiming for.

But then all this changed the soldiers were told they could not test there weapons unless they could find a range that came up to Pam 21 standards
even though the ranges had been and where being used by the local soldiers.

This meant that in most countries where these soldiers deployed they could not test fire or zero there operational weapons. Resulting in them carrying weapons for six months without even knowing if they worked !!.

One wonders what the newspapers would make of this if they found out that the inportant people where being protected by people who dont even know if there weapons work.

Is there not also a duty of care to the soldier to ensure that he is best prepared for the job. Not firing a weapon for six months hardly qualifies.

However as someone was once heard to say in the kingdom of longm**r

When was the last time they had to fire there weapons anyway !!!

THIS SCENARIO COULDNT HAPPEN FOR REAL COULD IT !!!!!!!!
 
#6
Health and safety you know. Bullets might kill someone. you're supposed to shout in your loudest bestest english I HAVE A GUN. The bad man takes fright and runs away. Wearing a white hat has the same effect
 
#7
Hasn't CP been subcontracted to the Met yet?

To paraphrase Robin Williams "Stop, or I'll shout stop again!"
 
#8
RMPCSO? Now there's a thought
 
#10
CHENMP said:
Once upon a time groups of Soldiers were trained to visit strange countries and protect noblemen who required very close protection.

In order to help these soldiers do there duty they were given lots of training on various weapons including how to zero them so they could hit what they where aiming at.

When they arrived in there foriegn land they were given the weapons of there trade and told to go and fire them to see if they worked and also to use there training to zero them. This gave the soldiers confidence as they knew there weapons would fire if needed and also that they had a chance of hitting what they were aiming for.

But then all this changed the soldiers were told they could not test there weapons unless they could find a range that came up to Pam 21 standards
even though the ranges had been and where being used by the local soldiers.

This meant that in most countries where these soldiers deployed they could not test fire or zero there operational weapons. Resulting in them carrying weapons for six months without even knowing if they worked !!.

One wonders what the newspapers would make of this if they found out that the inportant people where being protected by people who dont even know if there weapons work.

Is there not also a duty of care to the soldier to ensure that he is best prepared for the job. Not firing a weapon for six months hardly qualifies.

However as someone was once heard to say in the kingdom of longm**r

When was the last time they had to fire there weapons anyway !!!

THIS SCENARIO COULDNT HAPPEN FOR REAL COULD IT !!!!!!!!

Yes, long gone are the halcion days of yore when NCOs test fired their weapons on Ops by having NDs into the back of vehicle boots!

I am sure however that despite the limitations on shooting (governed no doubt by the H & S Nazis), standards in general remain high throughout military CP commitments, despite the occasional mishap or discipline problem that occurs throughoit the field army.
 
#11
I was issued an SMG when posted to a new unit, never fired it once in three years but had to cleaning the fecking thing at least once a month!!!
 
#12
I have never understood how or why the RMP got the CP role in the first place. I can not think of a unit less suitable for the task.
 
#13
duffdike said:
I have never understood how or why the RMP got the CP role in the first place. I can not think of a unit less suitable for the task.
Good point, well made...who then would you nominate to fulfill the role??
 
#14
afghanman said:
duffdike said:
I have never understood how or why the RMP got the CP role in the first place. I can not think of a unit less suitable for the task.
Good point, well made...who then would you nominate to fulfill the role??
make it an all-arms thing...wider recruiting and selection pool has many advantages, not least tour-intervals

the oft used arguement that RMP do it because of their knowledge of the law and their temperament as policemen makes them the best people for the job has always seemed a little flimsy to me
 
#15
All arms teams seems a good thing. It would give the infantry something to aim at - and other corps wallahs might be very good as well. The big benefit is that we could axe 50% of the RMP. The fighting qualities of the RMP must alas now be deemed highly suspect. No discourtesy to the dead intended.
 
#16
goon_bde said:
afghanman said:
duffdike said:
I have never understood how or why the RMP got the CP role in the first place. I can not think of a unit less suitable for the task.
Good point, well made...who then would you nominate to fulfill the role??
make it an all-arms thing...wider recruiting and selection pool has many advantages, not least tour-intervals

the oft used arguement that RMP do it because of their knowledge of the law and their temperament as policemen makes them the best people for the job has always seemed a little flimsy to me
I agree to a point. The trouble with making it All Arms is I believe one of administration. It would become a beast too big for its fairly limited role.

The only other similar, dare I say, 'specialist' (which it is by definition) role to model it on would be the current SD set up of selection, basic and continuity training.

With current commitmnets it is also hard enough to pry away NCOs for CP tours from RMP units, I imagine the chain of command in an RA or RE unit (for example) would not be best pleased with loosing one of their experienced Junior Commanders from their fold for an 8 month stretch.

I often wanted to do the RE diving course when I was in. I was advised to transfer to RE! Thats the way the Forces are I am afraid!!
 
#17
I have met RLC and RA drivers who were CP trained and roled for their senior officers 2 star and above. That was in the early 80s.
 
#18
cbgramc said:
I have met RLC and RA drivers who were CP trained and roled for their senior officers 2 star and above. That was in the early 80s.
Yes mate, they will have either done a 1 week (one car drills) or 2 week (2 car team drills) cse known as a Protective Mobile Skills (PMS) cse (not sure if its still called that?).

These same individuals may also attend Pre Deployment Training with CP Teams if they are going out to such theatres as Iraq or Afghan. This is not uncommon. They just don't fulfill the BG or CPO role.
 
#19
duffdike said:
All arms teams seems a good thing. It would give the infantry something to aim at - and other corps wallahs might be very good as well. The big benefit is that we could axe 50% of the RMP. The fighting qualities of the RMP must alas now be deemed highly suspect. No discourtesy to the dead intended.
Yeah I'll bite.

CP do not fight unless they have to - and then only to extract or protect the principal. They haven't lost one yet (to the best of my knowledge).

We are soldiers. We are also trained in Conflict Management. If the stories from MAK are to be believed that is what they tried to do. You can bang on all day about what they should have done.

I'm not sure with 300 Rounds between me and 5 others that the best trained infanteers in the world would have had any other result. So they tried something different - Jaw Jaw rather than War War.

It didn't work. Lets not second guess them eh?

RMP do CP and do it well. Why does that get up the schnebs of the other Arms / Corps?
 
#20
Well Commanding Officers take a traditionally parochial view - ie what is best for them over the remaining tenure of their own command. It takes no account of what is best for the regiment over the longer term or indeed the needs of the Army. (Emergency tour in NI? Easy. Send the dead wood to ERE.) Another reason why the regimental system in inf / rac may not be a good thing. It should be like pilot training. Permit no one to stand in the way of an individual application. The RMP can not handle their own weapons safely far less deal with insurgent / assassins when tooled up.
 

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