Im worried about Gordon

#1
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3559480.ece

Support for Labour hits 25-year low

David Smith and Jonathan Oliver


Labour has slumped to its lowest poll rating since 1983, when Michael Foot was leader, as voters delivered a withering verdict on last week’s budget.

Gordon Brown’s party slipped to 27% – 16 points behind the Conservatives – amid growing concern about the government’s economic competence, a YouGov survey for The Sunday Times shows today.

If the results of the poll were repeated in a general election, David Cameron would storm into Downing Street with a landslide majority of 120 and a string of high-profile cabinet ministers including Alistair Darling, the chancellor, would lose their Commons seats.

The Conservative lead is the largest of any survey since October 1987, shortly after Margaret Thatcher’s final election victory and on the eve of the Black Monday stock market crash.

Labour’s percentage of the vote is the lowest since June 1983. The YovGov poll, the first since Wednesday’s budget statement, puts the Tories on 43% and Nick Clegg’s Liberal Democrats on 16%.

Brown’s personal approval level has also taken a hit. His minus 26 rating is the lowest since he became prime minister. The poll is equally devastating for Darling. Almost half of voters – 47% – say the chancellor is “not up to the job”. He is backed by barely one in five.

The Tory lead has widened significantly since the last Sunday Times poll a month ago. Then they were ahead of Labour by just nine points.

The main cause of the swing to the Conservatives is the collapse in faith in Brown and Darling’s stewardship of the economy. Just 21% of voters now say they would trust Labour more than the Conservatives to raise their family’s living standards, with the Tories in a decisive lead on this issue.

The overwhelming majority – 83% – believe the economy will either grow more slowly over the next 12 months or slide into recession. Worryingly for Labour, its claims that taxes cannot be cut without harming essential public services are no longer widely accepted.

Six out of 10 back the Tory argument that making the public sector more efficient will create room for lowering the tax burden and almost eight out of 10 – 78% – say the government is not doing enough to cut the amount of taxpayers’ money it wastes.

There was widespread scepticism about Darling’s individual tax rises. Three out of four or 74% agreed that so-called “green” taxation on polluting cars and flights were a “con” and 85% say the higher alcohol duty rates will do nothing to curb binge drinking.

Today’s poll result suggests a possible Labour meltdown in May’s local and London elections. The Tories are ahead of Labour in the capital by 24%, indicating that Ken Livingstone, the Labour mayor, will struggle to hang on to power.

The growing Conservative lead also makes it less likely that Brown will call an election next year.

If the Tory 16-point lead is repeated in the next general election, Jacqui Smith, the home secretary, would be certain to lose her Redditch seat and Ruth Kelly, the transport secretary, would be ousted from Bolton West. Assuming the swing against Labour is the same throughout the country, even Darling’s Edinburgh South West seat would fall to the Tories.

The massive Conservative lead is likely to prompt more insurrection from Labour’s modernisers, impatient with Brown’s failure to reform public services.

Writing in today’s Sunday Times, Alan Milburn, the Blairite former health secretary, warns that Labour is at risk of losing power. “The next election is up for grabs,” he said. “After a string of bad luck and some self-inflected wounds, Gordon Brown is down but not out.”

In his first article on British politics since Brown became prime minister, Milburn accuses Brown of “inconsistency” and urges him to give more power to ordinary citizens. “Whitehall’s grip tightens not loosens through a frenetic outpouring of initiatives ranging from regulating children’s play to banning light-bulbs,” he writes.

Milburn urges Brown to ape Tory plans to allow parents to control school budgets: “Record numbers of parents are seething because they cannot get their child into their preferred school.”

The threat of defeat at the polls could also lead to a revolt from the left, who believe Brown has not done enough for Labour’s “heartland” voters.

If Labour does perform poorly in May, this autumn’s party conference in Manchester threatens to become the scene of internecine plotting. Some MPs are considering challenging Harriet Harman, the Labour deputy leader, a long-standing Brown ally.

Allies of Jon Cruddas, the left-wing backbencher who came third in last year’s contest for deputy, want him to mount another bid for the job.
It's a shame, a cryin shame I tell ya!
 
#2
Yeah a real bummer. Haha.
 
#3
The socialist 10 year spending spree is coming to a close. Anyone with long memories will know how it always ends-in tears.

But wait, keep an eye on the unemployment figures, we are nowhere near the bottom yet, neither is Labour's polling figures.

Socialism is dead-I wish.
 
#4
Don't get too excited. As the article states, much of this is due to the budget and that'll be long forgotten by the next election. Hopefully, Ed Balls' 'so what' comment when Dave criticised the UK tax burden will be remembered a bit longer.

You also need to remember that these polls are notoriously inaccurate. You can't sample a couple of thousand people and predict the actions of 20 million or so in 2 years time.

The third point to remember is that it takes fewer votes to elect a Labour MP than a Tory MP. The Tories need a 10% lead just to get a draw so a 16% lead isn't that great in real terms.

Having said that, I'm already fantasising about the Pickfords van pulling up at No 10 and Gordon's collection of glass eyes being loaded up.

A lot of these polls gloss over predictions for Scotland. Labour are slated to be hammered by the SNP north of the border. If the Barnett formula is 'revisited' to cut Scottish funding now that the SNP are running the show, there has been speculation that Cyclops himself might lose his seat.

It's looking increasingly likely that Labour will be out within two years. Hopefully, the SNP will do for them in Scotland and Dave will forbid the Scottish MPs Labour do have from voting on English matters. This, combined with a likely 80s style lurch to the left with John Cruddas at the helm should mean that we'll not be seeing a Labour government again for 20 years or so.
 

the_boy_syrup

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#5
Only problem is they will drag it out for a full term in the hope that things get better
So from today if you get asked say you will vote for the cunt
We get the polls up to Labour having a 80% popularity stake
They call a general election
We get rid
 
#7
the_boy_syrup said:
Only problem is they will drag it out for a full term in the hope that things get better
They'll drag it out anyway. Gordo's been waiting 10 years to get into No. 10 and he's not going to leave until he absolutely has to.

I don't know about amnestys, but I can see him introducing massive, tax free 'redundancy' payoffs for MPs who lose their seats. I mean, what's there to lose? I'm told quite a few Labour MPs are already starting to look for jobs outside Parliament so they'd not be averse to voting themselves free money out of the public purse.

I think the next 2 years in Westminster are going to be like the bunker scenes in 'Downfall'. Our increasingly demented Führer will be staring at poll results and economic forecasts while trying to marshall non-existent resources. Meanwhile, Dave and his 'Red Army' of Tories will creep closer to Downing Street with each passing day.

Mark my words. Watch out for school kids lining up in Downing Street to be presented with medals by the Führer himself as his minions jump into their ministerial limmos to head for the nearest tax haven.

Worryingly, Gordo does have an opt out. Under the recently passed emergency powers legislation, any government minister can rule by decree. I believe that includes indefinite suspension of general elections. If you hear Gordo mentioning the phrase 'State of Emergency' get out of the country asap. Head for Thailand. It's a nice place and jonwilly will let us all kip on the floor at his place.
 
#10
If Gordon were to get the boot early as leader of the Labour party that could be really bad. Well for the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives anyway when you consider how many votes he loses Labour. ;)
 
#11
Brick said:
If Gordon were to get the boot early as leader of the Labour party that could be really bad. Well for the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives anyway when you consider how many votes he loses Labour. ;)
Depends who replaces him. With any luck it would be an uber leftie like Jon Cruddas and the party would go into meltdown. Believe it or not, Gordon's probably the best they've got.

Fifth_Columnist said:
Ooooh, with any luck Sven will join us soon to put up a spirited defence for Gordon, just before administering poison to his wife and children...
Surely you jest. It's only 1000. It'll be several hours before Sven gets up. Due to an unfortunate encounter with some whirling helicopter blades in the 80s, Sven has neither wife nor children.

In fact, I've seen no posts by Sven since that bloke who abducted Shannon Matthews was nicked by police in Yorkshire. You don't think ......
 
#12
'I'm told quite a few Labour MPs are already starting to look for jobs outside Parliament'

It's already started, the appalling Patricia Hewitt has already got a 100,000 quid 'consultancy' with Alliance-Boots (hm, recently a Health Minister, consultancy with a Healthcare company - no conflict of interest there I see) and another nice little earner with a bank.

Nice to see another millionaires' class warrior daughter reverting to type.
 
#13
I was talking to a member of the party who works in Central Office in a position to know recently - his view was that the Party is preparing for opposition, and that by screwing the economy this time round, they'll get back in 5 years. They really have no shame do they.

Plus side is that he reckoned that the knives would be out for Brown in June and that Miliband is biding his time...
 
#14
Dear Mr Brown
A man who sold gold at its lowest point in history, and took a third of the cash in euros.
Effectively crippled everyone else's pension,his I notice is bullet proof,and has the front to pose as a prudent chancellor, Jesus, I though some of the Conservative types were bloody stupid, but as the film has it;
"You ain't seen nothing yet!"
As a PM he is just about invisible, like Macavity the cat.
If he is an example of the offspring on the manse he is so fond of wittering on about, then roll on aetheism!
If there is a God give this tawt Terry Prachett's alzheimers, and a stroke for Tony in passing!

And breathe in.
 
#15
Fascinating that Gordon has had the brass-neck to claim credit for his masterly command of the economy throughout the boom years, yet the downturn and 'credit crunch' are caused by the global economy over which he has no control. He is a liar, he is an idiot and, please God, he is going to preside over the biggest election disaster a party has ever seen.
 
#16
I agree with mnairb, if it gets much worse for the pseudo millionaire socialist party they will ditch Brown for Milliband. Trouble is, Milliband comes across as a sixth former, child, he will do no better. I disagree with mnairb on a rapid return to power for socialism, the people showed a very long memory for Tory mistakes, the socialists will be in opposition for an awful long time.

Just hope they get a good shopping spree in at John Lewis before the election.
 
#17
Unfortunately, nigegilb, the 'Government of all the talents' has scraped the bottom of what was already a very empty barrel. Assuming anyone has the guts (or Balls?) to challenge Brown (which I doubt), we are faced with yet another incompetant mediocrity bimbling along until the next election. I believe the 'dream team' being mooted by the Brown camp is Ed 'so what' Balls and his appalling wife Yvette 'Home Information Packs' Cooper. That would really put the cat among the pigeons - we could sit back and watch New Labour tear itself to bits in front of our eyes.

I don't recall saying that New Labour would have a swift return to power, in fact, I hope I never see their miserable, well fed, champagne socialist faces again for what they have done to my country. Unfortunately, these people don't just go away (the name Peter Hain comes to mind). As they have mostly never had a proper job, they tend to hang around getting themselves positions on Qangos or such like (or go back to running the Polytechnic tea swindle).
 
#18
Couldn't agree more, I assume you were referring to members of the New Labour champagne swilling club, when suggesting there was a belief of a rapid return to power. Aside from Sven nobody on this site has a good word to say for what they have done to this country.

They will be rightly consigned to the dustbin. Sadly there are only a handful of MPs in Parliament that I have any time for. Cameron has shown his true colours by his failure to support Grammar schools, he belongs to another elite, with little experience of the real world. I am resigned to the belief that we are now well and truly in a period of decline as a nation. Haven't quite figured out where to run to yet.
 
#19
I agree with most of the posts on this thread but one question to be considered is that 'Is Cameron up to the job of repairing the damage done by Labour and putting the UK back on the road to prosperity?'
I'm not convinced that he is foucsed on the priorities of the ordinary citizen.
 
#20
A good question - however, we need this lot to be kicked out as a matter of priority and only Cameron and his lot are in a reasonable position to do so. How do we get away from this two-party state and return to real democracy with local MPs (not parachuted-in, favoured sons and daughters of a party) representing the views and interests of their constituents?
 
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