If your voting in the PCC elections

ugly

LE
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#1
Then have a look at this link from BASC Police and Crime Commissioner Elections
Nothing really surprising apart from the UKIP candidate in Sussex who I think is ex plod anyway doesnt support ownership of firearms and as for some of them not wanting to talk to BASC well neither do I!
 
#2
Don't vote for any of them. Or even go out to the polling station. The whole thing's ridiculous.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#3
Don't vote for any of them. Or even go out to the polling station. The whole thing's ridiculous.
Now that is a sentiment I support but as that **** Blair has also said the same I'm not making too much of it!
 
#5
Don't vote for any of them. Or even go out to the polling station. The whole thing's ridiculous.
Same here, wouldn't waste valuable wanking time voting for any of them. My polling card went in the bin the day it arrived.
 
#6
Im not voting. In N Yorks there is a Labour chick and a Conservative chick. The Labour one has no pen picture on the PCC website and the Con just blabs on about shite she doesn't understand. She is a local "business owner" who happens to have the spare £5k needed for deposit. The bint talks about giving Specials "full powers of arrest", last I knew was they already did. She also claims speeding in villages is one of the publics biggest concerns, after speaking to Civpol seems its not! These people just want the cudos of being a PCC along with the big pay packet. Considering you need to poll 5% of the votes to get your deposit back, going up against 1 other person in a huge county seems a pretty good bet on either breaking even or getting a big pay rise for little outlay.
 
#7
Was tempted to vote for the independent as I don't think the Political Parties should be involved in it. Then I thought why? Is the current system of 'relatively' independent members of the Police Authorities broke and needs fixing?

I don't think so. So, no vote. Even for the independents.
 
#8
I am very torn over whether to vote, part of me says I should because if I dont then I cannot complain when I don't like what they do.

The bit that annoys me about it all is that most of the candidates are campaigning on issues that in reality they legally will have no influence to change, other than to say Chief Constable if you don't do as I say I will sack you. That to me does not seem reasonable.

Do we want politicians running policing along party political lines?
 

CountryGal

MIA
Book Reviewer
#9
Apart from receiving my voting card I've had nothing else about the candidates the premise of the election or why they are standing
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#10
I am very torn over whether to vote, part of me says I should because if I dont then I cannot complain when I don't like what they do.

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Do we want politicians running policing along party political lines?
Well the Home sec has canned a couple over the years and politicians set the HO agenda, make laws and plod complain about politicised senior officers so whats different?
Ok devils advocate played I just think its a waste of my tax money. I spend 3 hours on the M25Ring race track every day just commuting to and from arbeit to see these cnuts spaff it away!
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#11
Apart from receiving my voting card I've had nothing else about the candidates the premise of the election or why they are standing
Unless its in with the council elections I havent received anything and frankly am not upset!
They are standing as gamblers, £5k deposit for an £80K salary for the next 5 years? Thats gambling in my books!
 
#12
Well the Home sec has canned a couple over the years and politicians set the HO agenda, make laws and plod complain about politicised senior officers so whats different?
Ok devils advocate played I just think its a waste of my tax money. I spend 3 hours on the M25Ring race track every day just commuting to and from arbeit to see these cnuts spaff it away!
Every part of the Public Sector is politicised and The Police is no exception unfortunately. I would imagine that to gain senior office you need to toe the party line. Blair as the Commissioner of the Met under Labour and Hogan Howe under the Conservatives.

The relevance of that to my day to day job is fairly minimal. I just don't want Constabularies that are geographically bounded working at tangents to appease a political mandate at the expense of cooperative working to achieve results.

I would like to see candidates with an in depth professional knowledge of the subject that they will be coming into, not sound bite politicos who find it easy to pick up on the topic of the day and court it for votes. I don't believe they will have a huge staff of experts to advise them so where is their in depth knowledge going to come from?
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#13
Sound in depth experience, rules out politicians by default, most are placemen never had a real job and served in the party in some capacity. Now do you only want ex coppers? Thats the 180 degree opposite?
We are poorly served by these clowns!
 
#14
No not necessarily police officers, but I would not be averse to an ex copper of good quality and the correct motivation.

Some of the ex Police Authority candidates will be of good quality and will have an in depth knowledge of the job already.

Someone with the knowledge and ability of RUSI or Chatham House but in the Policing arena would be an idea. Bringing truly insightful views to a new position.

The problem with politicians is that they are used to moving departments in Government every few years and having a retinue of experts (Civil Servants) to support them so they never really have to have years of experience or knowledge in any one area.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
Every part of the Public Sector is politicised and The Police is no exception unfortunately. I would imagine that to gain senior office you need to toe the party line. Blair as the Commissioner of the Met under Labour and Hogan Howe under the Conservatives.

The relevance of that to my day to day job is fairly minimal. I just don't want Constabularies that are geographically bounded working at tangents to appease a political mandate at the expense of cooperative working to achieve results.

I would like to see candidates with an in depth professional knowledge of the subject that they will be coming into, not sound bite politicos who find it easy to pick up on the topic of the day and court it for votes. I don't believe they will have a huge staff of experts to advise them so where is their in depth knowledge going to come from?
Could you kindly give an instance where Hogan Howe has been overtly political? As I recall, he was the only Met Officer to get stuck into the rioters after his colleagues had spent the best part of three days sitting on their hands, completely paralysed by prospect of taking robust measures against rioters of a certain ethnicity. Blair was a certified shill and got a well-deserved bullet from Boris, please highlight similar shill-like actions from H-H or crawl back under your rock.
 
#17
Could you kindly give an instance where Hogan Howe has been overtly political? As I recall, he was the only Met Officer to get stuck into the rioters after his colleagues had spent the best part of three days sitting on their hands, completely paralysed by prospect of taking robust measures against rioters of a certain ethnicity. Blair was a certified shill and got a well-deserved bullet from Boris, please highlight similar shill-like actions from H-H or crawl back under your rock.
I think it is fairly well accepted that HH was the choice of the current government because of his similar views on the way ahead for The Met. BTW do not see that as criticism from me about HH, as a serving officer I accept that the Police needs to change and I agree with a number of the changes, not all of them or the way they are being implemented but it would be strange if I did.

You are obviously not a Police Officer from your comment because the majority of the rank and file wanted to get things sorted out PDQ, regardless of the ethnicity of the rioters. Law breakers are laws breakers, 1000's of officers went to London to help out the Met and wanted to do the right thing.

This subject has been done to death in other threads?

This thread is about PCC candidates.

Are you related to H H?
 
#18
BTW HH was not even the Commissioner at the time of the riots, was he doing this getting stuck in whilst he was off duty and travelling down.
 
#19
Sound in depth experience, rules out politicians by default, most are placemen never had a real job and served in the party in some capacity. Now do you only want ex coppers? Thats the 180 degree opposite?
We are poorly served by these clowns!
My bold ... that I like .

Well I heard a discussion between my local candidates early this morning on local radio and within minutes the political party point scoring started ... I had thought as I mentioned earlier on a thread of for the first time in my life of deliberately making my ballot slip spoiled ... well today's broadcast took me past that point and I shall not be voting at all . I wanted someone who could bring large organisation ~ business experience with promises to deliver a leaner , fitter , better, more efficient and community orientated Police Service ... sorry to use this expression but someone capable of " Out of the box thinking " . I feel that the Police somehow have actually become , compared to when I was a young man , almost alienated from the general public ... I want someone who could re-establish that link . To me none of my local candiadates demonstrated those skills ... hence from me ... Nil Points .

Rant over .
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#20
Just stuffing the PCC with ex coppers or former county police board members isnt what this election is all about, it was intended if you believe they had honest intention to place a team in place of the county policing committees consisting of an elected commissioner and his selected team of advisors all sucking at the public teat. I personally feel that politics should have no part of it but sadly as there is a financial requirement to stand then very few common folk will be bothered to gamble 5k for an 80k salary, better odds at the bookies and besides as I pointed out on an earlier thread unless you were in a political party or former committee member you had very little chance of getting on the candidate list at all.
In fact I even e mailed the electoral commission to ask how, they couldnt or wouldnt and forwarded me to the HO who failed to answer in any means worthy of the name, they sent me a link to the first page I started on!
I was considering mounting a legal challenge (baring the fact I am skint and hardly worthy) to the elections nationally for preventing non party or non former committee members from standing!
In fact i am convinced something should be done but barring a coup there is very little pressure we can bring!
 

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