If you had a maximum of 27 days available?

Would you come back for a limited number of MTDs?

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#1
If, by the end of March next year, the Army had brought in a scheme whereby each role in the TA (or 'Reserve' as it will be then) had a maximum No of MTDs allocated to it - so for example, soldiers get 27, and SSM get's say 40, would you come back?
 

the_boy_syrup

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#2
Why don't they just sack all the blokes who do bare minimum but always get their bounty/
You know the sort always have a family crises when people are being asked to deploy but are always at the front of the queue for trips to the US or diving expiditions
That way those who are running out of time and want to train to deploy can have the cash to do so
 

Command_doh

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#5
Yeah, fcuk that. We are casual labour. If they want us to do more, they would up the commitment. Some of us have real lives to attend to, anyway.
 
#6
Mr T,

Define maximum. Do you mean 27 max or 27 paid plus a significant part of C1.

27 days a year = a 2 week exercise and 6 weekends. That is insufficient to train a soldier/body of men and maintain his/their capability - particularly in the infantry. All you would achieve is a start point for further training in the event of a deployment. You would not have something that was deployable - the whole point of the TA. We would no longer have a strategic reserve, quite a gamble in an increasingly uncertain world.
 
#7
sandy_boots said:
Mr T,

Define maximum. Do you mean 27 max or 27 paid plus a significant part of C1.

27 days a year = a 2 week exercise and 6 weekends. That is insufficient to train a soldier/body of men and maintain his/their capability - particularly in the infantry. All you would achieve is a start point for further training in the event of a deployment. You would not have something that was deployable - the whole point of the TA. We would no longer have a strategic reserve, quite a gamble in an increasingly uncertain world.
the Graduated Commitment Model is, I believe, based on a maximum of 27 MTDs for enduring basic training until an individual then expresses an interest in mobilising at which point the allocation will increase (although by how much and how this is administered remains unclear).

The point is though that this is deemed sufficient for an individual to be kept 'warm'.

Don't assume a 15 day camp either - they could all default to 9 days or just a specialist/refresher training course. It's a simple change to TA regs. 15 day camps are a thing of the past - both in terms of the fact that they were relevant to a TA that will not exist soon, and probably dead already in the thinking of the centre.
 
#10
Bug-out! said:
Mr T

In the situation you envisage, will there be any difference between Group A and Group B TA?
Nope - in my view, such irrational vestiges of the past will have been erased by then. TA Regs is well overdue a rewrite and I believe that they have it in mind to completely start again - along the lines of simply delivering IRs.

All of that which has delivered the essential infrastructure of the 'Territorial' over the years, the underpinning pillars of experience and agreements, may well be about to go in the bin. I have now seen the light - and once you realise the enormity of the implications of switching off the funding, anything is now possible.

The sacred cows are all dead.
 
#11
Oh dear, this all sounds rather familiar.

We are probably living through a watershed in the hsitory of the TA. One wonders whether anyone can stop it now.

I wonder too what happened to the RFCA in such times. They seem to be particularly quiet when I was rather hoping that they would galvanise their network and get the MPs on our side. Maybe their funding is under threat too?

Regrettably, I agree with Mr T. The TA hasn't a hope of being the same again - they really don't understand it.
 
#13
MrTracey said:
The sacred cows are all dead.
That's a shame.

I think it's the "sacred cows" that deliver the product.

It is the common bond of the shared experience of collective training, your respect for and trust in your colleagues that develops over time, being aware of the strengths and weaknesses of your subordinates and superiors. This is true of any body of men, regular or reserve.

We do it well. We may not have the finest army but we have the finest regular soldiers in the world and a system which produces the finest reserves. If we built on the strenghts of the TA they would deliver more. How did sacking 19 Bns of TA infantry in 1997 help us over the last 6 years?

The IR factory you envisage will produce a weaker soldier. When the discover they've made a monumental mistake it will be too late to bring it all back.
 
#14
I envisage a core of instructors located centrally to train and mobilize IRs. Those instructors will be the crème de la crème of their chosen trade and cap badge. Given a uncapped number of days to attend training weekends and weekly/fortnightly courses as instructors they will train and develop the future TA soldier to the standards required for ops.


They will be regulars.
 
#15
devilish said:
I envisage a core of instructors located centrally to train and mobilize IRs. Those instructors will be the crème de la crème of their chosen trade and cap badge. Given a uncapped number of days to attend training weekends and weekly/fortnightly courses as instructors they will train and develop the future TA soldier to the standards required for ops.


They will be regulars.
Indeed
 
#16
with the 27 days is that for those who have signed up for the HRR or do they additional days for that training. also are the days only allocated to the person or number of personnel so they can be swapped with those who dont use up the 27 days. what about those on promotion courses or trade courses do they not get to attend camp if they want to. :?
 
#17
youngie618 said:
with the 27 days is that for those who have signed up for the HRR or do they additional days for that training. also are the days only allocated to the person or number of personnel so they can be swapped with those who dont use up the 27 days. what about those on promotion courses or trade courses do they not get to attend camp if they want to. :?
What promotion? If all they want is boots on the grounds as IRs then you need nobody higher than the private soldier.
 
#18
Redcap said:
youngie618 said:
with the 27 days is that for those who have signed up for the HRR or do they additional days for that training. also are the days only allocated to the person or number of personnel so they can be swapped with those who dont use up the 27 days. what about those on promotion courses or trade courses do they not get to attend camp if they want to. :?
What promotion? If all they want is boots on the grounds as IRs then you need nobody higher than the private soldier.
If all that is required is Pte soldiers you don't need a Reserve at all. Its just as easy to recruit and train more Regulars.

You are missing the point that not all IRs are Pte soldiers. there are TA soldiers in ranks up to Lt Col on Ops and FTRS. Given the shortfall in Regular Captains that requirement is likely to remain for quite a while.
 
#19
saladin said:
Redcap said:
youngie618 said:
with the 27 days is that for those who have signed up for the HRR or do they additional days for that training. also are the days only allocated to the person or number of personnel so they can be swapped with those who dont use up the 27 days. what about those on promotion courses or trade courses do they not get to attend camp if they want to. :?
What promotion? If all they want is boots on the grounds as IRs then you need nobody higher than the private soldier.
If all that is required is Pte soldiers you don't need a Reserve at all. Its just as easy to recruit and train more Regulars.

You are missing the point that not all IRs are Pte soldiers. there are TA soldiers in ranks up to Lt Col on Ops and FTRS. Given the shortfall in Regular Captains that requirement is likely to remain for quite a while.
I suspect that in future, Captain will be about the maximum that could be achieved - the legacy of the old TA in terms of Officers will take a while to unfold but unfold it will.

As for Swapping MTDs - No - the allocation will be a maximum per person.
 
#20
MrTracey said:
the Graduated Commitment Model is, I believe, based on a maximum of 27 MTDs for enduring basic training until an individual then expresses an interest in mobilising at which point the allocation will increase (although by how much and how this is administered remains unclear).

The point is though that this is deemed sufficient for an individual to be kept 'warm'.
Since the Regular Reserve appears to have irredeemably failed as a reserve of choice in it's role as IR's and BCR's. What makes anyone think a volunter version of Reserves in the GCM style will work..?
 

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