If the US had reacted differently to 9/11...

longtimeout

War Hero
I know it's a very hypothetical situation, but anyway...

What is the US had reacted to the events of 9/11 with an aim of 'not rising to the bait' - ie if Afghanistan , Iraq, and the whole chaotic can of worms that followed had never happened. Some measured retalition sure, but without the fullblown 'War on Terror' quagmire.

Would we still be in a similiar position worldwide? Would the Arab Spring, rise of IS etc etc have still happened? If Al Queda had been artfully ignored, would they have faded into insignificance?

LTO
 
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Can I suggest you read Robert Firsk's magisterial tome 'The Great War for Civilisation'? He certainly exposes a lot of the background issues that were probably not considered at the time.
 

on_leave

Old-Salt
That can only be answered on the assumption that 9/11 was simply an anti-US action, and not the "new Pearl Harbour" mentioned by PNAC

"New Pearl Harbor"

"Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).[15]

Though not arguing that Bush administration PNAC members were complicit in those attacks, other social critics such as journalist Mark Danner,[39] journalist John Pilger, in New Statesman,[40] and former editor of The San Francisco Chronicle Bernard Weiner, in CounterPunch,[41] all argue that PNAC members used the events of 9/11 as the "Pearl Harbor" that they needed––that is, as an "opportunity" to "capitalize on" (in Pilger's words), in order to enact long-desired plans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pnac
 

longtimeout

War Hero
I saw both Baghdad and Kabul soon after they were 'liberated'' It was bleedingly obvious to all that somebody somewhere had planned the whole thing in a dark room, wearing rose tinted glasses, and smoking crack.

But what if the whole thing had been approached differently?
 

4(T)

LE
Would we still be in a similiar position worldwide? Would the Arab Spring, rise of IS etc etc have still happened? If Al Queda had been artfully ignored, would they have faded into insignificance?

LTO


Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran and other oil-rich countries have been investing billions of USD into their respective forms of fundamentalist Islam for several decades.

That investment has been highly visible in radically altering social structures in many countries - sub-sahara Africa, central Asia, etc.

That investment and that radicalisation was always going to burst forth. Its targets have not just been the "spectaculars" in US and EU, by far the biggest effects on normal people has been across Africa and Asia.
 

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