If Labour win the election is a Communist UK a real possibility and how would it happen?

If Comrade Corbyn and his ilk actually get into power at the next election (heaven forbid) just how could they go about turning the UK into their one party socialist workers paradise?
They couldn't, even if they wanted to.

Do you really think that would be allowed to happen ?
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
i think the other thing to consider is what sort of Labour win are we talking about? i think they would need a good (+30) majority to ensure some of the wackier stuff could get through parliament. As it is i think we're more likely to see them in a coalition so what we should try and understand is what would be acceptable to the SNP or the Lib Dems and what wouldnt
I think they'd need a lot more than that, and they'd all need to be fellow travellers. A lot of labour MPs at the moment strike me as going along to get along. The second JC and his fruit loops decide to start playing their games I think he'll find they have very little real support indeed.
 
I think they'd need a lot more than that, and they'd all need to be fellow travellers. A lot of labour MPs at the moment strike me as going along to get along. The second JC and his fruit loops decide to start playing their games I think he'll find they have very little real support indeed.
i'd initially though +60 but thought that the threats of deselection from this election/parliament and potentially similar tactics of removing the whip like the tories could keep them in line and +30 would be enough.

i understand your point but i'd counter by arguing that these are the same spineless individuals who, after a failed big to oust him, have largely sat on their hands. if they were truly principled they wouldnt be Labour party politicians any more.
 
i think the other thing to consider is what sort of Labour win are we talking about? i think they would need a good (+30) majority to ensure some of the wackier stuff could get through parliament. As it is i think we're more likely to see them in a coalition so what we should try and understand is what would be acceptable to the SNP or the Lib Dems and what wouldnt
If Labour get in, or get in on the basis of a Lib/Lab pact (or if SNP become involved) then we are looking at Brexit being cancelled. So its not just what would be acceptable to SNP/Lib Dems, but what would be acceptable to Macron, Merkel et al.

If we cravenly give in on Brexit, and go cap in hand to the EU to ask if they will accept us back we will be likely to be subject to swingeing conditions. The EU will want to ensure that we can never rock the boat again, and that we are permanently signed up to our net contributions. And possibly some punitive extra payments.

In those circs, I don't think Corbyn would get away with the whole communist state idea. He would need a complete and fairly hard Brexit to allow him to turn Britain into the communist utopia that he dreams of.
 
I doubt there would be any real Communist UK, but they'll be shady legislation and stealth laws to being about a level of Government control unprecedented in this country.

Remembering that they only have 5 years, due to the FTPA, so whatever they do it'll have to be quick but not too obvious. In light of every remainer running to the judiciary asking for a review/block/whatever to stop BREXIT, then the moderates/right will use the same to halt creeping Government control and/or effectiveness of the HM opposition to scrutinise properly.

They'll be desperate for some event to bring in sweeping surveillance legislation that allows more electronic access than ever before. Think of US anti-terror laws. Would Jezbollah et al manage to introduce ambiguous laws that can have people on dodgy charges of terrorism, sedition, treason, for simply voting Tory and wearing a blue tie? Probably not.

I doubt that they'll have the time really implement anything other than a awful 1970's style Government with tighter controls over the media, a strangle-hold on big business by taxation or legislation and a spirally economy due to a opening of the floodgates of power back to the Unions. Closed shops, flying pickets, Shop Steward on the company's board . . . .

Let's not talk about relaxed immigration, a bloated and useless Civil Service, voting rights for foreigners, toddlers & prisoners and the removal of voting rights for duel citizens from certain countries, possible the US, Israel and India
 
If Labour get in, or get in on the basis of a Lib/Lab pact (or if SNP become involved) then we are looking at Brexit being cancelled. So its not just what would be acceptable to SNP/Lib Dems, but what would be acceptable to Macron, Merkel et al.

If we cravenly give in on Brexit, and go cap in hand to the EU to ask if they will accept us back we will be likely to be subject to swingeing conditions. The EU will want to ensure that we can never rock the boat again, and that we are permanently signed up to our net contributions. And possibly some punitive extra payments.

In those circs, I don't think Corbyn would get away with the whole communist state idea. He would need a complete and fairly hard Brexit to allow him to turn Britain into the communist utopia that he dreams of.
And that is why Corbyn's whole stance is incredibly stupid.
To create the state he claims to believe in will need a hard and uncompromising Brexit.
 
It wouldn't be quick. It would be small knowing changes, none of them enough to cause mass civil disturbance. A tightening of police authorisations relating to public assembly, for instance. Inclusion of the offence of insulting a minister at first , then a politician and so on. This would be spread to the institutes to make it plain that one would have to show a particular sort of words and thought to keep your job or at least progress. This is already apparent.

The forces would be given goodies and possibly expanded at the level to deal with civil disturbance. Labour is offering pay increases and better accommodation at the moment. That coupled with a compliant and appropriately officered police force would eventually buy the police and army.

Make sure the teaching profession is onboard by removing the non compliant staff and promote talking heads who will say anything for pay. Am not going to labour ( HeHe) these points, but it wouldn't be too difficult.

I do have fears about this but whether they come true depends on the true intent of the leadership. I have no idea what it is but am pretty sure they are hiding lots.
 
If Labour get in, or get in on the basis of a Lib/Lab pact (or if SNP become involved) then we are looking at Brexit being cancelled. So its not just what would be acceptable to SNP/Lib Dems, but what would be acceptable to Macron, Merkel et al.

If we cravenly give in on Brexit, and go cap in hand to the EU to ask if they will accept us back we will be likely to be subject to swingeing conditions. The EU will want to ensure that we can never rock the boat again, and that we are permanently signed up to our net contributions. And possibly some punitive extra payments.

In those circs, I don't think Corbyn would get away with the whole communist state idea. He would need a complete and fairly hard Brexit to allow him to turn Britain into the communist utopia that he dreams of.
its ironic that they can only really do what they want outside the EU but hey ho. From a Brexit point of view the EU could refuse to allow the extension required for his proposed referendum and in that case i believe that the Lab/Lib/SNP majority parliament we're describing would revoke article 50 and we'd be right back where we started. you're right though, if Lab/Lib/SNP get in (also Lab in a majority in all likelihood) then Brexit will most likely be stopped.
 

windswept398

Old-Salt
If it did happen, and I believe we are closer to the communist idea than most realise, then nothing will happen.
Nothing at all.

Just look at the brexit fiasco. Three years has gone by and not one of you have stood up and started a revolution. The British Bulldog has become a lapdog.
 

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
If JC gets in, I expect 50 percent of the forum to take to the streets in mass and break things. Making the news epic for the token Muricans to watch.

The other half will be to hungover to participate, and a few will praise the results.

We should dispatch a few crates of long knives.
Wrong again Jonesy....haven't you heard?

Arrse are chartering an all-American Boeing 777 to airlift us all to Wyoming, Land of the (?)Free and Home of the (?)Brave .


As it happens my firm has the contract for ticketing this highly hush-hush NEO op........it is possible a handful may have gone astray in the direction of my poachers pocket.

Bids in Swiss Francs , Krugerrands or Canadian Silver Dollars via PM people......don't be last in line :)
 
Don't know about the Police, but every Serviceman, current and ex, has sworn an oath of allegience to HMt Q + heirs and successors. And the vast majority meant every word of it and it didnt end after 22 years.
I certainly have no loyalty to any political party, any government of any shape or form, in fact I dont think in my lifetime I have felt as much contempt for our so called 'representatives' as I do now.

Our sense of 'fair play' has already been pushed too far. Corbyn and his marxist mates would get lynched, I reckon.
 
If we cravenly give in on Brexit, and go cap in hand to the EU to ask if they will accept us back we will be likely to be subject to swingeing conditions. The EU will want to ensure that we can never rock the boat again, and that we are permanently signed up to our net contributions. And possibly some punitive extra payments.
If we revoke Art.50 we go back to the status quo, what we already have.
Stop thinking we are going to be punished somehow,.
 
I'm so glad that we've managed to debate this as grown ups rather than reverting to whining and playing the victim over brexit (complete with bottom lips, taking their football home and thrown teddies).

Like others on this post, I think it'll be a very close run race with Labour pipping the Conservatives at the post. There will be a Lab/Lib coalition which will moderate much of what Jezza will be able to do.
The 'yellow tories' who are being demonised by both sides will manage to pull what is now a fully left wing labour party back to the centre and (hopefully) mitigate most of the really damaging policies.
Worst case, in 5 years time we can vote them out.

Long term though, once brexit has been cancelled and the crop of loons currently inhabiting the PoW have retired we can hopefully welcome the grown ups back to Westminster and get our country back on its feet.
 
Don't know about the Police, but every Serviceman, current and ex, has sworn an oath of allegience to HMt Q + heirs and successors. And the vast majority meant every word of it and it didnt end after 22 years.
You've got that on a T-Shirt haven't you?
 

Yokel

LE
I think ARRSE would be quiet as most of us would be in the Gulag - or simply murdered on the altar of Marxism. Mass starvation and genocide are the only achievemts of a truly evil philosophy (which also influenced the Nazis). Instea of viwing peole as equal, they re seen simpy as part of a group, competing with other groups.
 
Don't know about the Police, but every Serviceman, current and ex, has sworn an oath of allegience to HMt Q + heirs and successors. And the vast majority meant every word of it and it didnt end after 22 years.
I certainly have no loyalty to any political party, any government of any shape or form, in fact I dont think in my lifetime I have felt as much contempt for our so called 'representatives' as I do now.

Our sense of 'fair play' has already been pushed too far. Corbyn and his marxist mates would get lynched, I reckon.

What he said, with the added:- Every army, sorry military pensioner, will parade with whatever weapons he can find, and see off the enemy's of the crown, that is, HM the Queen Elizabeth, and not transient ministers, or civil servants. Very naïve, I know, and simplistic, but if it comes to the crunch, a million service pensioners will be confronted by a home army, of a few thousand, who will not open fire, on their own country men, especially veterans who have served, irrespective of orders,, and a police fore that will be totally overwhelmed. The worst case scenario........sounds like a synopsis for a dam good film..." Veterans, the last hurrah"....a story of courage, loyalty, and colostomy bags.
 
A Labour government is in nobody's interest.
For the EU, a UK likely to be flat broke if Labour policies are enacted will be another dead weight, non contributing, waste of space. What the EU want is a compliant ( even beaten) UK to use as a dump for Europe's migrants and other unproductive members.
Given Corbyn & Co's hatred of all things American, expect a swift removal of all US interests in UK ( and consequently Europe), loss of US/ NATO defence infrastructure and the " nuclear umbrella".
A benefit, perhaps, to Russia, but countered, perhaps, by the EU having to spend more on its own defence.
Trump and the US would carry on regardless, indeed it's more than likely that the RN bombers would slip away from Scotland and claim asylum in the US, along with as much of the RN as could put to sea with skeleton crews.
The first time that army pay fails to hit the banks on time, expect mass desertions, while the RAF will be sat around wondering which single aircraft can do QRA today.
 
Most of us are well aware of a number of nasty people within the Labour Party who have a Communist/Socialist political outlook which has been long discredited by both history (collapse of Warsaw Pact etc) and more recent events (Venezuela).

If Comrade Corbyn and his ilk actually get into power at the next election (heaven forbid) just how could they go about turning the UK into their one party socialist workers paradise?

I don't need to be told how bad it would be, that is pretty self explanatory, but there a number of Arrsers who are far more knowledgeable regarding UK politics than myself and I'm simply curious to find out if it would actually be possible for a UK Government to turn the UK into a communist one party state.

I've put this into the Current events forum in order to encourage some sensible discussion... I live in hope, stranger things have happened... :)

I have been pondering this at work today and wondering how they could suppress or overrule Parliament or remove HM Queen without risking bring people onto the streets or how they could compel the Police and military to support a one party state.

Here's some inspiration...



If you want to write a dystopian fantasy, to be filmed starring Clive Owen and Sarah Lancashire as conflicted former Labour members coming to terms with the betrayal by Momentum- fine. You write it. But when Netflix pays you, don't forget it was Arrsers who gave you all the ideas.
 
A Labour government is in nobody's interest.
For the EU, a UK likely to be flat broke if Labour policies are enacted will be another dead weight, non contributing, waste of space. What the EU want is a compliant ( even beaten) UK to use as a dump for Europe's migrants and other unproductive members.
Given Corbyn & Co's hatred of all things American, expect a swift removal of all US interests in UK ( and consequently Europe), loss of US/ NATO defence infrastructure and the " nuclear umbrella".
A benefit, perhaps, to Russia, but countered, perhaps, by the EU having to spend more on its own defence.
Trump and the US would carry on regardless, indeed it's more than likely that the RN bombers would slip away from Scotland and claim asylum in the US, along with as much of the RN as could put to sea with skeleton crews.
The first time that army pay fails to hit the banks on time, expect mass desertions, while the RAF will be sat around wondering which single aircraft can do QRA today.

Most of your post is bollocks but the bolded bit is already pretty accurate.
 

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