If HDT travel costs are withdrawn how will this affect the National units?

#1
In a regional unit some junior soldiers only make enough to cover travel costs from their pay of an evening, without HDT. A full weekends pay wouldn't be enough to cover the costs of some National soldiers.

Cardinal
 
#2
Are they being removed entirely? I understood that we had to contribute a few miles ourselves but most of the HDT would still be payed.
 
#4
HTD is being reduced in value to 25p per mile to harmonise it with the rate received by the rest of the public sector as set by HMRC. The personal contribution will increase from 01 May 11 to 3 miles, from 01 Apr 12 to 6 miles then from 01 Apr 13 to 9 miles. See page 8 of the latest Soldier for details of the reasoning. National TA units are therefore no more affected than Regional TA or Regular personnel.
 
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#5
HTD is being reduced in value to 25p per mile to harmonise it with the rate received by the rest of the public sector as set by HMRC. The personal contribution will increase from 01 May 11 to 3 miles, from 01 Apr 12 to 6 miles then from 01 Apr 13 to 9 miles. See page 8 of the latest Soldier for details of the reasoning. National TA units are therefore no more affected than Regional TA or Regular personnel.
So, with C1 drill nights fast approaching; what is the incentive for soldiers that live close to the TA centre to come in on a Tuesday night?
 
#6
HTD is being reduced in value to 25p per mile to harmonise it with the rate received by the rest of the public sector as set by HMRC. The personal contribution will increase from 01 May 11 to 3 miles, from 01 Apr 12 to 6 miles then from 01 Apr 13 to 9 miles. See page 8 of the latest Soldier for details of the reasoning. National TA units are therefore no more affected than Regional TA or Regular personnel.
I live 25 miles away from my TA center does that mean i will only get paid for 22 miles then 19 then 16 miles or i will only get HTD if i live more than 3 then 6 then 9 miles away? I asked this of my PSAO and I got its going to 25p a mile it wont make any difference as an answer
 
#7
So, with C1 drill nights fast approaching; what is the incentive for soldiers that live close to the TA centre to come in on a Tuesday night?
Bugger all from what I can see if the cost of motoring continues to rise and HTD keeps going down or has more restricions placed on it travelling to a drill night will start to cost the soldier money
who ever came up with the cack that the cost of motoring has gone down must be ingesting some quality halucanergenics(spelling?)
 
#8
So, with C1 drill nights fast approaching; what is the incentive for soldiers that live close to the TA centre to come in on a Tuesday night?
Are you having C1 drill nights? If you live close to your TAC it will make little difference, it will have more impact on those that live further away, surely.
Slightly off topic- There was a thread on C1 drill nights a while ago. I was away at the time the regt introduced them so I didnt see first hand the effect it had. After a couple of months they went to two paid nights a month and the effect was positive- not everyone attends every drill night anyway, so when there were 2 per month there was a better 'critical mass'. On the C1 nights the blokes turned up and did organised phys.
These silly little cuts dont really bother me, bit I just know that soon some mandarin is going to start looking at bounties. I am probably wrong but they are guaranteed to us by the Crown- but the Crown doesn't decide how much they should be. Look forward to a max bounty if you are mobilised during that year, otherwise watch it get slashed to £400 or so.
 
#9
Bugger all from what I can see if the cost of motoring continues to rise and HTD keeps going down or has more restricions placed on it travelling to a drill night will start to cost the soldier money
who ever came up with the cack that the cost of motoring has gone down must be ingesting some quality halucanergenics(spelling?)
I don't think anyone is claiming that the cost of motoring has gone down.

At the moment, 40p a mile for every mile HTD is very generous (and as a recipient myself, I would be so bold as to suggest, profitable) - and in an age where we can't seem to afford things like tanks, aircraft and ships, it's logical that the generosity of allowances is going to fall.
 
#10
I don't think anyone is claiming that the cost of motoring has gone down.

At the moment, 40p a mile for every mile HTD is very generous (and as a recipient myself, I would be so bold as to suggest, profitable) - and in an age where we can't seem to afford things like tanks, aircraft and ships, it's logical that the generosity of allowances is going to fall.
Think you'll find that 40p isn't very generous....

Three million drivers face £2,000 bill - Telegraph

so 25p is pretty stingy all things considered.

You need to include all things such as tax, insurance, wear and tear, depreciation etc to take into account full effects of mileage costs.....you can't just base it on fuel costs.

S_R
 
#12
HTD is being reduced in value to 25p per mile to harmonise it with the rate received by the rest of the public sector as set by HMRC. The personal contribution will increase from 01 May 11 to 3 miles, from 01 Apr 12 to 6 miles then from 01 Apr 13 to 9 miles. See page 8 of the latest Soldier for details of the reasoning. National TA units are therefore no more affected than Regional TA or Regular personnel.
I am a civil servant and we all get 40p per mile . My sister in law is a district nurse who gets the same and my wife gets 40p per mile working for local govt. None are required to have business insurance either, except where my sister in law takes a patient as a passenger.

Pretty sure I dont get 40p per mile only 25p

Cardinal
 
#13
I don't think anyone is claiming that the cost of motoring has gone down.

At the moment, 40p a mile for every mile HTD is very generous (and as a recipient myself, I would be so bold as to suggest, profitable) - and in an age where we can't seem to afford things like tanks, aircraft and ships, it's logical that the generosity of allowances is going to fall.
We might not be ale to affort tanks but we can afford a daft git who goes round presenting each building with a large framed energy certificate which must be displayed in a public place. Three SHEF (Health and Saftey) noticeboards on the same garrison, all carrying the same information, from an overly large H&S dept, all of which needs renewing each year. No we cant afford tanks, ships, planes or travel expenses for soldiers but we can afford that.

Cardinal
 
#14
Well said Cardinal.

And I have no doubt whatsoever that when the dust settles we will still have an overly large H&S Dept, assorted Inspection teams etc. I firmly believe it is unlikely to stop until they only have one unit left and can't all visit on the same day.

An indication of this nonsense is the AVANTI Plan to retain a 2* HQ between Bde and LAND. Why ? Why not just take out an entire level of management ? All the Div level did was add a further cover note to the policy direction coming from LAND.
 
#15
We might not be ale to affort tanks but we can afford a daft git who goes round presenting each building with a large framed energy certificate which must be displayed in a public place. Three SHEF (Health and Saftey) noticeboards on the same garrison, all carrying the same information, from an overly large H&S dept, all of which needs renewing each year. No we cant afford tanks, ships, planes or travel expenses for soldiers but we can afford that.

Cardinal
Unfortunately we can and do afford it, because:

a) The Army gets told to do it
b) The Army gets sued if it doesn't

Whilst there were some good reasons for getting rid of Crown Immunity, the flipside is a growth in SHEF culture (in terms of money and time) throughout the Services. Nobody likes it, but when you see some of the cases that go through the courts that MoD has to cough up for, you realise why nobody wants to stand up and say it's bollocks!
 
#16
Think you'll find that 40p isn't very generous....

Three million drivers face £2,000 bill - Telegraph

so 25p is pretty stingy all things considered.

You need to include all things such as tax, insurance, wear and tear, depreciation etc to take into account full effects of mileage costs.....you can't just base it on fuel costs.

S_R
There's a big difference between communiting to work, and those who use their car as part of their daily business, using a car for the daily commute does not incur any extra tax or insurance cost over and above social, domestic and pleasure use.
 
#17
HTD is being reduced in value to 25p per mile to harmonise it with the rate received by the rest of the public sector as set by HMRC. The personal contribution will increase from 01 May 11 to 3 miles, from 01 Apr 12 to 6 miles then from 01 Apr 13 to 9 miles. See page 8 of the latest Soldier for details of the reasoning. National TA units are therefore no more affected than Regional TA or Regular personnel.
Car mileage rates - RCN

Link should show current NHS mileage rates. Ranging up to 58p per mile. Not all public sector mileage is treated the same.
 
#18
Car mileage rates - RCN

Link should show current NHS mileage rates. Ranging up to 58p per mile. Not all public sector mileage is treated the same.
Mileage allowance paid above the HMRC maximum of 40p per mile is taxable. The higher value paid to NHS (and other government) employees applies to those who use their vehicle as part of their job (e.g. care in the community) which necessarily incur much higher premiums.

I still don't see many private employers - or government agencies - paying the employees anything to get to and from their place of work each day.
 
#20
Mileage allowance paid above the HMRC maximum of 40p per mile is taxable. The higher value paid to NHS (and other government) employees applies to those who use their vehicle as part of their job (e.g. care in the community) which necessarily incur much higher premiums.

I still don't see many private employers - or government agencies - paying the employees anything to get to and from their place of work each day.
The higher rate of 58.3p per mile is paid to ambulance staff attending work for overtime or training; from their home to the station that they are working (or training!) at.
 

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