Ieds and vehicles

ugly

LE
Moderator
#1
Now this has been a bad month for 16 AA and I was wondering if we need to return to the drills we used in S Armagh in the 70's and 80's as in all on foot or by birds. I know its a pain tabbing with kit in that heat but then an ied if it goes off will only take out 1 or 2 at worst?
 
#2
I for one wouldn't relish extended foot patrols in 140-150°. There's definitely a requirement for armoured transport - whether it be wheeled or tracked. I think the Mastiff is the way ahead, but it's too big for urban ops. The only other alternative is...



... and lots of them. Dream on. I wonder how many of these the Bloody Sunday Inquiry and the Northern Rock bail out would have bought? :roll:
 

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
#3
Just read about an UOR order for 157 vehicles that are to become Ridgeback. Basically it is a smaller, more town friendly Mastiff in 4x4 rather than 6x6.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#7
#8
Just done some basic sums.

Cost of Apache AH1 = £60,000,000

Cost of Defender AH6 = £900,000

The cost of one Apache equals roughly sixty Defenders.

Bloody Sunday Inquiry = £188,000,000

That's roughly two hundred Defenders.

Northern Rock bail out = £110,000,000,000 (£110bn)

That's roughly...? ****ing lots of helicopters - one for each bloke.

It does go to show where this government's priorities lie... and we ain't it. Never again should these bastards be allowed to use the 'not enough money in the pot' argument.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#9
Is that something like 500 ish helicopters for the northern wreck?
If so I'd better keep paying my mortgage!
 
#10
It's more helicopters than we've ever had in service since the fcukers were invented! This is an absolute scandal. Needless to say... I am outraged. Future Lynx anyone?
 
#13
Having just returned from Herrick 7, the IED threat increased massivley over the winter and after Musa Qal'eh fell. The main focus here should not be what vehicles to travel in, but more education in search techniques. Alot of incidents can be avoided by carrying out correct Vulnerable Point identification, and search techniques. Also in my experience other arms need to realise that in todays modern warfare a metal detector is just as important as his rifle, and not to dismiss the drills taught as a minor priority. Things do not help in again the lack of equipment, for example certain search equipment that i can not specify on line that should be available for all sub units. Im not an arm chair ranter but have first hand experience in this and i feel absolutly gutted every time i hear more soldiers die. Top tip, if your a commander going out to theatre, practice as much as you can and rape your nearest ATO or RESA for infomation, they are more than happy to help and are invalubale. Do not rush to your taskings, the war will wait for you. If someone has a gut feeling, trust it. Dont put pressure on lead call signs, they will rush things. Metal detect your way forward, even if your assaulting a postion. And above all if your lucky enough to hace Engineer callsigns with you, use them.

Sorry for the rant!!!! I just want to help
 
#15
ChunkeyKnob said:
Having just returned from Herrick 7, the IED threat increased massivley over the winter and after Musa Qal'eh fell. The main focus here should not be what vehicles to travel in, but more education in search techniques. Alot of incidents can be avoided by carrying out correct Vulnerable Point identification, and search techniques. Also in my experience other arms need to realise that in todays modern warfare a metal detector is just as important as his rifle, and not to dismiss the drills taught as a minor priority. Things do not help in again the lack of equipment, for example certain search equipment that i can not specify on line that should be available for all sub units. Im not an arm chair ranter but have first hand experience in this and i feel absolutly gutted every time i hear more soldiers die. Top tip, if your a commander going out to theatre, practice as much as you can and rape your nearest ATO or RESA for infomation, they are more than happy to help and are invalubale. Do not rush to your taskings, the war will wait for you. If someone has a gut feeling, trust it. Dont put pressure on lead call signs, they will rush things. Metal detect your way forward, even if your assaulting a postion. And above all if your lucky enough to hace Engineer callsigns with you, use them.

Sorry for the rant!!!! I just want to help
Excellent advice and comment. Well said.
 
#16
Unsworth said:
ChunkeyKnob said:
Having just returned from Herrick 7, the IED threat increased massivley over the winter and after Musa Qal'eh fell. The main focus here should not be what vehicles to travel in, but more education in search techniques. Alot of incidents can be avoided by carrying out correct Vulnerable Point identification, and search techniques. Also in my experience other arms need to realise that in todays modern warfare a metal detector is just as important as his rifle, and not to dismiss the drills taught as a minor priority. Things do not help in again the lack of equipment, for example certain search equipment that i can not specify on line that should be available for all sub units. Im not an arm chair ranter but have first hand experience in this and i feel absolutly gutted every time i hear more soldiers die. Top tip, if your a commander going out to theatre, practice as much as you can and rape your nearest ATO or RESA for infomation, they are more than happy to help and are invalubale. Do not rush to your taskings, the war will wait for you. If someone has a gut feeling, trust it. Dont put pressure on lead call signs, they will rush things. Metal detect your way forward, even if your assaulting a postion. And above all if your lucky enough to hace Engineer callsigns with you, use them.

Sorry for the rant!!!! I just want to help
Excellent advice and comment. Well said.

RANT AWAY ITS A VERY GOOD RANT!!
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#17
Mines, the weapon that is laways there, waiting indiscriminately, add Command IEDs and its a sh1tty place to be. Most of our cas over the years since 1945 have probably been down to mines and ieds. I dread to think what the toll really is!
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
Should there be a thread for come-back debriefs and advice?
 
#19
Biped said:
Should there be a thread for come-back debriefs and advice?
I think it could be a double-edged sword on a public forum. While, take spare socks and some Tabasco is fine, I think Opsec would preclude any useful exchange. Not having access, due to being a senile old twaaaat, does not Armynet offer this sort of facility.
If not, why not?
 
#20
I think tabbing on Foot went out in this part of the world pre WW II when it was the only way to keep roads open for convoys. John Masters mentions it in his books of the N W Frontier.
Helis really are the way to go and its disgraceful that what seven years into this war the troops still don't have the equipment to do the job.
When the Government has needed to find the money then they have that Tom must pay in Lives, blood and broken bones when an alternative is available is a national disgrace.
john
Suppose you know who must do some tabbing of a night.
 

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