IDF to abandon its last British Army heritage

#21
Bloody hell , All that time getting it to sit just right , not to mention having to walk 90k carrying one of the guys on a stretcher to
get out red beret .
It looks nice and bonds you with the unit having different colours , much nicer than the yanks with a black beret for everyone
 
#23
AndyPipkin said:
Just out of interest, when and why did the IDF ditch the Galil in favour of M4's?
Too heavy and not as accurate.

Only helmets are worn in high threat situations, baseball hats would not allow the troops to fire any more effectively.

These baseball hats are a bad idea, they take away from the achievement of earning your headress which is a big deal in the IDF combat arms.
 
#25
gingwarr said:
Arik said:
crabby said:
I can never remember seeing an iron in the army.
I need to go for a lie down in a dark room after reading that.

Mora, do you mind expnding on what the Nachal (kibbutz fighters) are? PM me if it's waaaay off topic.
LOL re iron, amazing but so true, no bed blocks either because in field units you only use sleeping bags etc. Formal discipline is not like the British army, your average WO would have a heart attack if put on a unit exchange!!

Nahal means Noar Chalutzi Lochem or Fighting Pioneering Youth. This unit has changed since it's inception but the original idea was to form units of inductees from the same youth & political movements who would serve for slightly longer but would have split service between army and kibbutz placement. They would form new or reinforce young Kibbutzim etc in desolate or security risk areas like the Negev etc.

They are trained as infantry but the better ones go to an airborne battalion and jump school. You can identify Nahal by a very fluorescent green beret.
 
#26
gingwarr

Mora, do you mind expnding on what the Nachal (kibbutz fighters) are? PM me if it's waaaay off topic.
the info from wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces_insignia#Berets

Nahal, a Hebrew acronym for Noar Halutzi Lohem (lit. Fighting Pioneer Youth), refers historically to a program for Israeli youth that allows them to combine their compulsory three-year military service with volunteer-type 'civilian' service - organizing social welfare projects in neighborhoods and towns suffering from socioeconomic difficulties, acting as counselors for youth organizations, or founding and developing new agricultural settlements.

The history of the Nahal reaches all the way back to the early days of the Jewish state. In 1948, in a famous letter, a gar'in (seed) committee sent a letter to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion requesting that he allow all gar'in members to enlist into military service as a group, instead of being split up at random into different units according to the military's needs. A gar'in is essentially a 'cell' of a larger youth movement, such as the Israeli Scouts, usually formed by youths of high school age in order to take part in various public welfare activities. In the years before and slightly after the creation of Israel, gar'inim were mainly involved in settlement, but have expanded their activities to all manner of charitable volunteerism. Gar'inim are usually tightly knight groups, identified often with communist and/or democratic socialist philosophies, and continue living together on communes for many years, sometimes decades, after their military service, though this has become less common. In response to the letter, Ben-Gurion created the Nahal program, which allowed the gar'inim to combine their military service with volunteerism.



 
#27
On topic (unusual for me). Berets are good for some purposes and bad for others. Bush hats likewise, in PR wars. The vile things inflicted upon us in the 80s, called 'hats ridiculous' by everyone within my earshot, and with good reason, had little purpose other than to be a hat. They really served no purpose at all, other than to foolishly ape the US Army, and very badly. They were finally and eventually very justifiably thrown out because the general opionion of them was so low among their wearers that they had become objects of real ridicule. For the Israelis and any other civilised defence force in the region, a far better option would be along Australian lines, which tends to be both practical and smart when required to be either.

If only more serious object of ridicule could be thrown away. That stupid 'rifle', for instance.
 
#30
Heavy editing of what was turning into a particularly nasty and wildly off-topic fight.

If anyone wishes to discuss whether or not Israel are justified in the way they conduct themselves, feel free to open another thread

Thanks

PTP
 
#32
mora said:
gingwarr

Mora, do you mind expnding on what the Nachal (kibbutz fighters) are? PM me if it's waaaay off topic.
the info from wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces_insignia#Berets

Nahal, a Hebrew acronym for Noar Halutzi Lohem (lit. Fighting Pioneer Youth), refers historically to a program for Israeli youth that allows them to combine their compulsory three-year military service with volunteer-type 'civilian' service - organizing social welfare projects in neighborhoods and towns suffering from socioeconomic difficulties, acting as counselors for youth organizations, or founding and developing new agricultural settlements.

The history of the Nahal reaches all the way back to the early days of the Jewish state. In 1948, in a famous letter, a gar'in (seed) committee sent a letter to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion requesting that he allow all gar'in members to enlist into military service as a group, instead of being split up at random into different units according to the military's needs. A gar'in is essentially a 'cell' of a larger youth movement, such as the Israeli Scouts, usually formed by youths of high school age in order to take part in various public welfare activities. In the years before and slightly after the creation of Israel, gar'inim were mainly involved in settlement, but have expanded their activities to all manner of charitable volunteerism. Gar'inim are usually tightly knight groups, identified often with communist and/or democratic socialist philosophies, and continue living together on communes for many years, sometimes decades, after their military service, though this has become less common. In response to the letter, Ben-Gurion created the Nahal program, which allowed the gar'inim to combine their military service with volunteerism.






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