IDF to abandon its last British Army heritage

mora

War Hero
#1
Berets were adopted by the Israeli army at the foundation of the Jewish state in 1948, copying those worn by the British troops who had enforced Britain's rule over mandate-period Palestine.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Briefs/8425.htm

IDF heads consider changing soldiers' headgear
By: Associated Press
Published: May 9, 2006

The Israeli army could soon be getting a new look.

The army is considering discarding the colored berets that soldiers have sported for close to six decades and replacing them with visored baseball caps, a senior military official said Monday.

Military committees that have yet to grant final approval to the idea support the change because the baseball hats provide more shade from the fierce Middle Eastern sun, said Lt. Col. Salman Zarka, the top health official in the army.

The proposal has the backing of the army medical corps, which is concerned about preventing sunstroke and sunburn, Zarka said. The military police, which is charged with making sure soldiers wear the berets or have them folded in their epaulettes, also supports the idea. The beret rule is widely ignored.

"We are trying to emphasize that health considerations take precedence over disciplinary matters," Zarka said regarding the beret rule.

The berets, which are not worn in combat, are awarded to recruits on successful completion of their basic training. They are colored red for paratroops, green, brown or purple for other infantry units, dove-grey for combat engineers and black for the artillery and armored corps.

Zarka said he was not sure if baseball caps, if adopted, would also be color-coded.

Berets were adopted by the Israeli army at the foundation of the Jewish state in 1948, copying those worn by the British troops who had enforced Britain's rule over mandate-period Palestine.
 
#3
Beret rule widely ignored??!!! Send over some WO1s, put them in their place pretty quick :)

I think the US patrol caps look terrible, I can't understand an army wanting to follow suit. It might just be because it's what I'm used to seeing, but I think berets - when properly worn - look proffesional, and in the case of the British Army have some history behind them (colour, cap badge etc).
 
#4
Remember those DPM jap hats from the 70's/80's ? Returned when I got out in the same pristine condition in which it was issued-verboten in my lot!
Fine for 1st Chav battalion mind......................
 
#5
Colour coded baseball caps! does the IDF want to change it's TCV's for Rainbow Buses (MLAR Tpt Ops).

For rehydration they could issue those classy hats with the 2 can holders and drinking straw!
 

mora

War Hero
#6
British Army

Sky Blue - Army Air Corps

Dark Blue - British Army

Grey - QARANC

: Khaki - used By Guards & Infantry

Light Infantry - Rifle Green

Royal Air Force - Blue-Grey

Royal Engineers - Navy Blue

Israeli Army

Gray-Engineers,

Black-tanks,

Red-paratroopers,

Light blue-air force,

Green-Nachal(kibbutz fighters),

Purple-marines,

Brown-Golani.
 
#7
crabby said:
......It might just be because it's what I'm used to seeing, but I think berets - when properly worn - look proffesional, and in the case of the British Army have some history behind them (colour, cap badge etc).
You are right on both counts, unfortunately in the IDF one is not taught how to shape the beret and they are usually placed in the left shoulder epaulette and are only usually seen there on going to or home from base. Remainder of time they are shoved into your travel bag. There are no lessons on how to turn out be presentable in uniform in basic as such there just is no time for such things, other training is considered far more important.

Very little importance is attached to turn out on dress A's (uniform worn for going home) compared to the British army especially in field units. I can never remember seeing an iron in the army.

There is history to IDF beret colours (exclusive of the latest ones e.g. artillery) and the oldest are based on the British army i.e. black for tanks, red for paratroops.
 
#8
The military police, which is charged with making sure soldiers wear the berets or have them folded in their epaulettes, also supports the idea.

The beret rule is widely ignored.
Good to see their MPs have very important jobs that they do to the best of their abilities.
 

mora

War Hero
#9



Leaders and citizens react to Isareli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's massive stroke, which left him near death. An Israeli soldier prays at Jerusalem's Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site. Photo: AP
 
#10
Chalky said:
Good to see their MPs have very important jobs that they do to the best of their abilities.
Widely loathed like in any other army but with a major positive - the IDF MPs seem to get some of the best looking girls conscripted in, so there are some compensations by being stopped by them! You may have seen a few on 'Army Women' photo threads posted on arrse.
 
#11
mora said:



Leaders and citizens react to Isareli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's massive stroke, which left him near death. An Israeli soldier prays at Jerusalem's Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site. Photo: AP
I thought he was playing hide and seek...
 
#12
Two Israeli teen celebs drafted

Roni, pop singer

 
#13
mora said:
Israeli teen pop singer , Roni

This has what relevance to the original topic? Obviously not complaining, but the saliva is playing havoc with my keyboard and I might have to nip off somewhere private for a bit...
 
#14
76mill said:
Remember those DPM jap hats from the 70's/80's ? Returned when I got out in the same pristine condition in which it was issued-verboten in my lot!
Fine for 1st Chav battalion mind......................
Also known as Cap, DILAC (Don't I look a cnut)

Actually, I can see the sense in some form of peaked hat or cap in areas where ther is extreme glare caused by sunlight.
 
#15
the_guru said:
Actually, I can see the sense in some form of peaked hat or cap in areas where ther is extreme glare caused by sunlight.
The 6th Airborne Division



Para of British Army in Palestine Uniforms.
 
#17
crabby said:
I think the US patrol caps look terrible, I can't understand an army wanting to follow suit.
They may not look as good, but they're a whole hell of a lot more practical. Berets don't do a great job at keeping the desert sun out of your eyes, or the rain from dripping onto your eyes, it's a little harder to quickly put one on with one hand, you don't need to shape a patrol cap...

NTM
 
#18
California_Tanker said:
crabby said:
I think the US patrol caps look terrible, I can't understand an army wanting to follow suit.
They may not look as good, but they're a whole hell of a lot more practical. Berets don't do a great job at keeping the desert sun out of your eyes, or the rain from dripping onto your eyes, it's a little harder to quickly put one on with one hand, you don't need to shape a patrol cap...

NTM
I'm not denying any of that. I did an exchange which involved me spending 3 1/2 weeks at fort lewis with all the little cadets going "Warrior Forge" and the days it reached 103 I was wishing that I had a patrol cap with little ventilation holes instead of my beret which just acted like an oven. Also wished I wasn't wearing my combat jacket, but that's beside the point. I do find berets work well in rain though, just because after years and years of rain/snow/hail/sun (and everything in between) the beret can't lose it's shape if you tried!!
 
#19
Enough about the berets for a sec- what about the Dorii in their hipster OG trousers and strappy sandals? We couldn't possibly send British WO1s over there- we couldn't handle the casualties from stroke, cardiac arrest, apoplexy or PTSD.
 
#20
Its a shame, but with the IDFs pragmatic approach to uniforms, it was inevitable. I'm no fan of the baseball cap in general, but something like the old SADF swallowtail bush caps would make much more sense. I'm sure some of the old Africa hands on here will put me straight, but the ones I remember from the eighties were basically a soft peaked cap with two overlapping pieces of fabric hanging down the back to shield the neck, a bit like the old FFL Kepi cover.
I think they were copied from a Portugese/FRELIMO design, not particularly smart, but very practical and quite ally once they'd worn in a bit.
 

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