IDF shoot 60-2,000 wounded.

:) is your response? Lost for words? Twat.
This is Arrse.

As if my knowledge, experience and opinions really matter on the interwebthingy.

However, just this once: I'm trying to imagine what it must be like to a fifth generation stateless person....

Being half-Irish, I might be able to give it a craic but I doubt I'll be terribly successful, empathy and imagination only go so far; real life is always stranger than fiction.
 
I've been visiting Israel since 2010 on a fairly frequent basis. Would you believe that one of the Grand Masters of the Grand Lodge of the State of Israel was a Muslim Arab (about 2011)? Even worse, it appears that he had led a very successful life and was a very wealthy man who owned large tracts of land in the north (next door to the Tishbi vineyards if you know the name) as well as property and companies across Israel. I hate them so much that I was advanced into the Mark Degree in Jerusalem.

Most Arabs and north Africans I know don't have an issue with Israel or Jews: they just want to get on with their lives.
 
I've been visiting Israel since 2010 on a fairly frequent basis. Would you believe that one of the Grand Masters of the Grand Lodge of the State of Israel was a Muslim Arab (about 2011)? Even worse, it appears that he had led a very successful life and was a very wealthy man who owned large tracts of land in the north (next door to the Tishbi vineyards if you know the name) as well as property and companies across Israel. I hate them so much that I was advanced into the Mark Degree in Jerusalem.

Most Arabs and north Africans I know don't have an issue with Israel or Jews: they just want to get on with their lives.
Masons, hey...... Masons.
 
This is Arrse.

As if my knowledge, experience and opinions really matter on the interwebthingy.

However, just this once: I'm trying to imagine what it must be like to a fifth generation stateless person....

Being half-Irish, I might be able to give it a craic but I doubt I'll be terribly successful, empathy and imagination only go so far; real life is always stranger than fiction.
You have demonstrated zero knowledge and plenty of BS opinions.

"Being half-Irish"... get tae fück you wannabe plastic taig idiot! (This from someone who is 100% Irish from both paternal and maternal lines and whose paternal family had to flee Cavan in 1916 because they were loyal servants to the Crown). You utter cloud of useless idiocy. Go find a safe space where you can re-write all the posts of Labour supporting Venezuela as a true socialist paradise now that Stalin errr... John 'I'm a Marxist' McDonald has decreed that they weren't socialist enough.
 
Nope, you're not bothered, which is why you're not repetitively hanging around here trying to defend the indefensible rather than accepting Pally propaganda played you like a fiddle, shame really, Banker's an unrepentant jew-hater so I'd expect nothing else from him, but you? Is saving face sooooo important?
#NotBotheredMuch
 
@loofkar

There is a dramatic cessation of the violence, do you know why?
See the article I posted earlier in the thread about the Egyptians flying a Hamas leader to Cairo and giving him the dressing down of his life, as well as other articles posted here. I have no information outside of what's in the media.
 
An op-ed by the IDF's Spokesperson, Brigadier General Ronen Manelis in the Wall Street Journal: The Truth About Hamas and Israel


Sami Abu Zuhri is the spokesman for the extremist group Hamas, an internationally recognized terrorist organization funded by Iran. Hamas controls Gaza and has killed innocent Israeli, American, Brazilian, Kenyan, British, French and Chinese civilians. As chief intelligence officer of the Israel Defense Forces’ Gaza division from 2012-14, I came to know Mr. Abu Zuhri and other Hamas spokesmen from a distance. Their method of action is simple: Lie. Their lies support the stated goal of Hamas: the delegitimization and destruction of Israel.

For weeks the international media has reported on violence on the border between Gaza and Israel. Hamas has continued to lie to the world, which is why their rare acknowledgments of truth are especially revealing. Hamas spokesmen raced to the press last week to lament the death of innocent civilians . But a senior Hamas leader, Salah Bardawil, said in a May 16 interview with a Palestinian TV station: “In the last round of confrontations, if 62 people were martyred, 50 of them were Hamas.” Hamas itself has confirmed that 80% of those killed in their violent riots last Tuesday were members of a terrorist group, not innocent civilians. Several more of the fatalities were claimed by Palestinian Islamic Jihad. On May 13, Mahmoud Al-Zahhar, a co-founder of Hamas, said in an interview with Al Jazeera: “When we talk about ‘peaceful resistance,’ we are deceiving the public.” You can only trust Hamas when they admit to their lies.

The Hamas spokesmen orchestrated a well-funded terrorist propaganda operation. Behind the theatrics was a plan that threatened Israel’s border and civilians. Hamas provided free transportation from throughout the Gaza Strip to the border for innocent civilians, including women and children. Hamas hired them as extras, paying $14 a person or $100 a family for attendance—and $500 if they managed to get injured. Hamas forced all of their commanders and operatives to go to the border dressed as civilians, each serving as a director of an area—as if to direct their own stage of the operation.

The audience was the international media. Hamas gave anyone with a video camera front-row access to the show and free Wi-Fi. The IDF had precise intelligence that the violent riots were masking a plan of mass infiltration into Israel in order to carry out a massacre against Israeli civilians. Hamas called it a “peaceful protest,” and much of the world simply fell for it. It wasn't fake news, it was simply fake.

The idea that this was a peaceful protest is the biggest lie of all, because the basic tenets required for a protest in a democracy like the U.S. or Israel do not exist in Gaza. Under Hamas’s control, there is no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, no freedom of religion, no freedom of the press. There can be no such thing as a peaceful protest in Gaza, only gatherings organized, sanctioned and funded by Hamas.

In multiple assaults on the border this spring, Hamas has used machine guns, Molotov cocktails, airborne improvised explosive devices and grenades. Hundreds of Gazans have tried to blow up or tear down the fence between Gaza and Israel, with the intention of infiltrating our sovereign territory and reaching innocent Israelis who live minutes from the border. On April 6, the Hamas political leader, Yahya Sinwar, stated: “We will take down the border [with Israel] and we will tear their hearts from their bodies.” On Facebook Hamas posted maps for their operatives showing the quickest routes from the border with Israel to Israelis’ homes, schools, and day-care centers near the border. Doesn’t that sound like violence to you?

Facing the dangers posed by cowardly terrorists who disguise themselves as civilians, IDF soldiers acted with courage and restraint, following strict rules of engagement to ensure minimum civilian injury and loss of life while still protecting the border. As part of Hamas’s propaganda operation, hundreds of Gazans were injured last week and several dozen died, most of whom were Hamas operatives. None of this violence had to occur, but it was the violence that Hamas instigated and orchestrated so that the headlines and pictures would reinforce the lies that the Hamas spokesmen had planned.

Hamas can lie—to the world, to Palestinians and to their own commanders and operatives—but I am proud that the IDF will never lie or use Israeli civilians or soldiers as pawns. Some of Israel’s greatest friends might have preferred that we had looked better in the media this past week, but between vanity and truth, the IDF always chooses truth. It is that morality that sustains the IDF. The uniformed professional soldiers of the IDF may not photograph well compared with terrorists disguised as civilians—but we are honest about what we are and what we say. As the IDF spokesman, if I cannot source and cite material, I will not allow it to be published. I will not release any statement if the facts are in doubt.

Some in the media helped Hamas by choosing to publish its lies and not the facts. Hamas achieved negative media coverage about Israel after their first violent riot, on March 30, the first day of this propaganda operation. Hamas could have then claimed a propaganda victory, stopped the violence, and prevented many deaths. But for Hamas, lies are more important than lives.

If in order to win the international propaganda war I need to lie like the Hamas, then I prefer to tell the truth and lose. The IDF will win where it matters—protecting our civilians in the face of terror. The soldiers of the IDF won this week by keeping Israeli families safe and by stopping Hamas from accomplishing its stated goals.

Even more than the lying, the true difference between Mr. Abu Zuhri and me is that he goes to sleep every night wishing for the destruction of my country and the death of my children. I go to sleep at night hoping for a better life for his children as well as mine. And that’s the truth.
 
That includes all the Arabs chased off the land and that have lived in camps across the ME since 1948, does it?

They've got postal votes, have they?

They've been allowed access to Israeli "justice" to get their land back from the illegal Zionist squatters?

I've been wrong about Israel then. wrong since it went into The Lebanon? Oh me, oh my.... you sack of lying Zionist sh!te!

‘Chased off the land’?

Really?

They were invited to leave their land by assorted Arab leaders to ‘clear the way’ for the Arab armies to drive the surving Jews into the sea.
The ones that stayed aren't in camps, the ones who backed the expected genocide are. Sucks to be them.


Other charming pronouncements from 1948....

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”
General Azzam Pasha

"I declare a Holy War, my Moslem brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!"
Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al Husseini
 
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You have demonstrated zero knowledge and plenty of BS opinions.

"Being half-Irish"... get tae fück you wannabe plastic taig idiot! (This from someone who is 100% Irish from both paternal and maternal lines and whose paternal family had to flee Cavan in 1916 because they were loyal servants to the Crown). You utter cloud of useless idiocy. Go find a safe space where you can re-write all the posts of Labour supporting Venezuela as a true socialist paradise now that Stalin errr... John 'I'm a Marxist' McDonald has decreed that they weren't socialist enough.
Calling me a Taig was intended as an insult. was it? Dear me, I got called worse when I served.

I'm a Marxist....? Love it, truly do.

No wonder you you love your Masonic brother, does he take you round his lands so you can try and get a feel of what it was like back in the day of the Ascendancy? Bless. To think you missed all those feelings of "innate" superiority based upon your religion.Knowing that you could have cleared people off "your" land whenever you felt like it. Wow! I an see why you're so angry. Is that why you sublimate with other men in darkened rooms, holding childish breast feeding rituals by baring your nipples etc.? Does knowing that you can never measure up to your ancestors cause you sleepless nights? Erectile dysfunction, maybe? Never mind. Here's another one for you to worry about: back in the day when there were about 150,000 blokes in the Army, 25% of them were Catholics; how does it feel that all those Catholics were serving their country and keeping you and you Crow friends safe in their beds, hmmm? I can understand your feelings of inadequacy now. Would you care to share.....?

You keep going, son. Perpetuating the cycle; this time GB's skint, kick off again and you're on your own.
 
"I declare a Holy War, my Moslem brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!"
Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al Husseini

Now let's see which of the agenda-driven loons on this thread will be the first to claim this is "photoshopped"

 
An oldie but goody....

Hamas take lead from Hitler

Hitler was right" is now a globally trending hashtag on Twitter. To "the militants of Hamas", as the BBC calls them, the Fuhrer is a hero. That's understandable. The movement they belong to is an affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Brothers, like the IRA, were allies of the Nazis. The demonic dream of all brainwashed Hamas fighters is to finish the job begun in Berlin in 1933.

It is estimated that 17 million printed copies of Mein Kampf are in circulation. The Arabic paperback version is a bestseller in areas where the Brothers and likeminded jihadis hold sway. It's not hard to see why Adolf Hitler exerts such an appeal to those who ultimately seek to bring about a second Holocaust. Holed up in his bunker in April 1945 as Germany lay in ruins, Hitler called on his followers to ceaselessly fight "the eternal poisoners of the world", the Jews. After this "final testament", the author of the Final Solution committed suicide.

Arguably he had won the war that mattered most to him – the annihilation of European Jewry. The fact that 50 million others perished was of no significance to the despot so admired by the fanatics of fascist Islam. They were just collateral damage.

Hamas, like Hitler, relish death. In their quest to drive the survivors of the Holocaust and their descendants into the sea, Hamas make no bones about their objectives. "The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."
 
So are ALL 2m Gaza prisoners Hamas terrorists? what about the Arafatists and the Arab Christians, the idea that 20000-30000 people massing at the prison fence are terrorists is abhorrent as is the indisciminate use of small arms against civilians but you keep on feeling sorry for the poor Isreali's .
Given the number of deaths v the numbers present, I'd describe it as pretty discriminate use of small arms.
 

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UK schools have more robust fences than that.
Not many with anti-tank berms backed with infantry though?

( Oh wait...parts of Gunchester,of course...soz)

A picture tells a thousand words...so everyone who died (and the two thousand who didn't ) were all shot by the brave boys of the IDF on the other side of the fence?
Medals all round.

Nifty.
 

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