Ideological Brainwashing of British Youth?

#1
Good article I've picked up in the Telegraph about the current state of history teaching in the UK. A subject quite dear to me.

"Left-wing thinking still prevails in schools. - The educational elite is indoctrinating the young and Education Secretary Michael Gove must be allowed to change it."

By Jago Pearson, 5:53PM GMT 11 Jan 2014.

"Michael Gove is right. My time studying History at school and university was dominated by Left-wing thinking. Consciously or subconsciously, the educational elite indoctrinates a generation of young people. The dominance of the Left is deep-rooted and for all to see, especially when it comes to the teaching of history. I write as a 21-year-old graduate of History and Politics, just six months out of university............."

Link: Left-wing thinking still prevails in schools - Telegraph

Right-wing scare-mongering, or an accurate reflection of the modern day ills of British academia?

Discuss.
 

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#2
Right-wing scare-mongering, or an accurate reflection of the modern day ills of British academia?

Discuss.
Both! It just points out that there (at least) are two sides to each argument.
 
#3
Right-wing scare-mongering, or an accurate reflection of the modern day ills of British academia?

Discuss.
I'd be more worried about the references and source material used to teach.

I studied the Crimean War at GCSE. The work of Florence Nightingale and Mary Seacole was lauded, the inept and out-of-touch British Army officers belittled. We watched The Charge of the Light Brigade, the 1968 film portraying the incompetence of the British military leadership.


Thrown into my course was the tale of the Cold War world and the escapades of the "brutal neo-colonialist Americans", not least during that brutal proxy war in Indochina.

We watched Apocalypse Now in class when studying that conflict,


We would listen to Black American music in the classroom, encouraged to pay particular attention to the lyrics as a means of comprehending the race struggle.

I had an entire final year module devoted to The Beatles and their impact on Sixties social change,

I remember my history lessons being slightly different and I certainly don't remember using a Hollywood film as a basis for historical reference!
 
#4
He states his A level History teacher was an Anarchist (self proclaimed) calling for the dismantling of "Liberal society"... certainly a far right position... all anarchists are extreme right wingers.

Secondly, of course teachers are left leaning, just as soldiers are right leaning (not far right, but tend to be rightists nonetheless) it comes with the territory. The sky is blue and grass is green is another revelation.
 
#5
He states his A level History teacher was an Anarchist (self proclaimed) calling for the dismantling of "Liberal society"... certainly a far right position... all anarchists are extreme right wingers.

Secondly, of course teachers are left leaning, just as soldiers are right leaning (not far right, but tend to be rightists nonetheless) it comes with the territory. The sky is blue and grass is green is another revelation.
yes, its pretty par for the course. if it was brain washing then we wouldnt have any right wing historians would we? but the headline "academia leans to the left" isnt exactly shocking.
 
#7
He states his A level History teacher was an Anarchist (self proclaimed) calling for the dismantling of "Liberal society"... certainly a far right position... all anarchists are extreme right wingers.

Secondly, of course teachers are left leaning, just as soldiers are right leaning (not far right, but tend to be rightists nonetheless) it comes with the territory. The sky is blue and grass is green is another revelation.
Shouldn't that be left-right-left-rightists?

:)

Rodney2q
 
#8
He states his A level History teacher was an Anarchist (self proclaimed) calling for the dismantling of "Liberal society"... certainly a far right position... all anarchists are extreme right wingers.

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TBH anarchist do have their version of the Judean peoples front as well as the peoples front of Judea :) less "traditional" but still anarchists
 
#9
Individuals over society, no rules, independence are right wing ideals. Central control, redistribution and subservience to the state are left wing. Anarchists are by definition right wing. The anarchists you see on TV protesting are actually left wing activists, anarchists couldn't organise anything, no central control you see.
 
#11
Historically, anarchists were extreme left wingers and most still are. The various Black Bloc movements, for example.

There are some extreme libertarians, beyond minarchists, who would be considered anarchists. If you just take the American example, libertarianism is a right-of-the-Tea-Party situation. American left-wingers are massively statist. However, in countries with less extreme politics, you get both left and right wing libertarians. In the UK, there are both free-market libertarians (who will usually call themselves 'classical liberals') and cooperative / kibbutz "down with the man" lefty libertarians.
 
#12
Individuals over society, no rules, independence are right wing ideals. Central control, redistribution and subservience to the state are left wing. Anarchists are by definition right wing. The anarchists you see on TV protesting are actually left wing activists, anarchists couldn't organise anything, no central control you see.
coughcough
 
#13
Have a look at the "political compass" site. This allows you to split between "left versus right" and "libertarian versus authoritarian".

Edited to add: I take the test from time to time. They do update the questions and sometimes put in special ones for major elections. This is what I got this time (which is reasonably consistent):

[h=2]Economic Left/Right: 2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92[/h]
Moderately right wing, medium to strong libertarian.
 
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#15
Gove has fallen into the trap of thinking history should be his version rather than the facts.
History pretty blood soaked and full of fairly dubious actions.
 
#18
Vikings. Slave traders. Gove figure. What colours were their slaves, you forgot to tell us about, then Miss ?

Cherokees. Kept slaves. Kept that quiet when talking about Native American culture.

Muslim Barbary gang. Slavers. Ruddy Africans and their slave trading.

Monarchy and Oliver Cromwell. Slaver traders including of Irish and English slaves.

Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, The Nazis, and The Swiss Banks: Mark Aarons, John Loftus: 9780312181994: Amazon.com: Books

"What's this about Nazis living amongst us Miss ? Don't get it. We won the war cos we got VE Day and VJ Day right ? But this book is saying then useful and rich Nazis get to come here getting a better house than me ? What sort of victory is that what with the Nazis coming here living high off the hog no wonder there was postwar austerity for the victors"

"Please Miss we were bankrupt by the war yeah ? But we could afford to become a nuclear power and set up a welfare state ? Who was doing the f-cking sums ?"

"Please Miss if women were the skilled wartime industry workers and the bus drivers etc etc why did we send them home to the kitchen sink to do no paid work after the war while black people came here to take jobs the women could do ?"

"Why are you calling me racist Miss? Is it a get out clause of some kind ?"
 

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#19
History, there wasn't so much of it in my day and certainly none of it taught with any sort of bias other than God, the empire, Kipling and the hun.

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#20
My kids were told that "Their opinion cannot be wrong" if that is the way you feel it must be right and cannot be argued with. No-duf.

I told the teacher that in my opinion he was an idiot and should stop teaching bollocks.
 
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