"I know my place" - Marxism and reinforcing class boundaries

[AsterixTG]

I popped to my local bookstore to look at the section where socialists explore their life experiences with a view to self improvement, learning and honest enquiry.

You know, books by socialists that explored introspection, hard work, risk taking and initiative to spur and induce them to become better people, recognising self weakness, being honest with your desires and their impact, planning for a better "future self", taking responsibility - that sort of thing.

The book shop owner said he'd certainly consider setting up a section like that... once there was a book to put in it

 

[truck_trasher]

And by voting Green you be assured of a plentiful supply of things to shoot

Hmmmm, maybe so . . . when exactly is the open season on protesters? Just wondering . . .

Edit: And reading further, I see that I'm not the only person with this sort of idea. But I'm not sure if that is a good thing, or a bad one?

 

[A signaller]

My income and job would put me in the Upper Middle Class by the accepted definitions. But I'm not sure how to betray my working class roots.
Apart from voting Tory and drinking wine, what exactly is does it mean?

My bold. You already have, by openly admitting-assuming you are upper middle class. That is a very pretentious statement.

 

[Graculus]

Hmm 1971 Jenny Agutter in Walkabout, I could cope with the arrse time machine

That long ago? FFS...

 

[Graculus]

Hence the rejection of the Labour Party at the last election

Of course and, for me the jury is still out on Starmer. I may or may not vote for a party with him as leader.

........................................................................Not to mention the rejection of the EU at the referendum

So we can use state aid to industry?

 

[fraudstar]

You do know in the past era's most are talking about that 'Student Grants' while 'free money for education' had to be means tested. This meant that in 1979 because of the aspirational actions and deeds of my parents I got no grant money to go to college. While the bussiness was resonably good they could barely afford and maintain the business and send me or my brother into further education. Thus part of the reason I enlisted.

I suppose I could have looked for some type of sponsership, being stuck in the heart of dartmoor made that difficult, but rather I understood that part of becoming adult is to strike out on ones own two feet.

Yes.

Other people had their university education paid for by taxpayers. What’s your point?

 

[fraudstar]

And, equally, a capitalist society is perfectly capable of looking after the less fortunate.

Why are you so bitter?

I’m not bitter. I appreciated my degree, paid for by other people.

 

[Evdhimong]

I’m not bitter. I appreciated my degree, paid for by other people.

Hmm... interesting reply...

 

[fraudstar]

Hmm... interesting reply...

How so?

 

[Dafty duck]

I've paid for my education more than a hundred times over in direct taxation [PAYE, Corporation tax etc], even at today's £9,250 per year rate.

I also self-financed my own MPhil, which cost me £450 per year in 1988, whilst earning about £9,000 per year.

I am totally against the industrialisation of education. A door opened by a certain Anthony Blair.

This. 100%. I pay more in tax in a single year than I racked up loans over my entire university career. Even assuming the maximum of £9,000PA in fees (which it certain was not when I did it) I paid that back before 2010....and like yourself, I self financed my own MSc.

So, those muppets who like to go "hurr de durr, you got a free education". I absolutely did not get a free education and I probably paid for yours.

 

[Dafty duck]

And others have, in their turn, bettered themselves from my taxes.

(or p*ssed it up the wall on fags, booze, mobile phones and 55" flat screen tellies, pray tell, which are you?)

A rhetorical question if ever I saw one.

 

[stacker1]

I popped to my local bookstore to look at the section where socialists explore their life experiences with a view to self improvement, learning and honest enquiry.

You know, books by socialists that explored introspection, hard work, risk taking and initiative to spur and induce them to become better people, recognising self weakness, being honest with your desires and their impact, planning for a better "future self", taking responsibility - that sort of thing.

The book shop owner said he'd certainly consider setting up a section like that... once there was a book to put in it

There is an alleged socialist on ARRSE who is currently writing a book...

 

[Dafty duck]

There is an alleged socialist on ARRSE who is currently writing a book...

Bugsy can write?

 

[lokiuk]

There is an alleged socialist on ARRSE who is currently writing a book...

Is it "My struggle with reality" by Bugsy Pants O'Flame, by any chance?

 

[Daz]

Of course and, for me the jury is still out on Starmer. I may or may not vote for a party with him as leader.

So we can use state aid to industry?

Depends on the reason for the state aid - short term aid such as we have during the current crises is not a problem, artificially keeping a redundant industry going long term, not so much unless there is a valid security concern which means we as a country need to keep that industry going for a strategic reason - steel production in a limited capacity could fall into that category, food security would also be another area to look at.

 

[Dafty duck]

Is it "My struggle with reality" by Bugsy Pants O'Flame, by any chance?

"Thatcher and the SAS murdered my family, twice." My journey from Amphetamines to Valium. By Bugsy "Koba" McFannyface.

 

[Cold_Collation]

Ah, but that was "the wrong sort of Labour".

It was Labour.

 

[fraudstar]

This. 100%. I pay more in tax in a single year than I racked up loans over my entire university career. Even assuming the maximum of £9,000PA in fees (which it certain was not when I did it) I paid that back before 2010....and like yourself, I self financed my own MSc.

So, those muppets who like to go "hurr de durr, you got a free education". I absolutely did not get a free education and I probably paid for yours.

May I introduce you to the concept of time? If you pay lots of tax, after your state-sponsored education. You have benefitted from taxpayers and the state sponsoring your education.

If you earn lots of money and pay lots of tax, well done you. But your tax now cannot travel back in time to pay for your education then.

 

[RedDinger]

My bold. You already have, by openly admitting-assuming you are upper middle class. That is a very pretentious statement.

I admitted nothing of the sort. I was pointing out the accepted conventions of class based mainly on job role and income, unless you are upper class of course, where its mainly inbreeding that counts.
I fail to see how that is betraying anything.

 

[huscarl]

" unless the current government manages to feck up to an unimaginable degree".

Always within the bounds of possibilities with this government, do seem to lurch from one unintentional cock-up to another!