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I Have Some Questions On The Int Corps

#1
I'm considering joining the Int Corps as an OPMI or MIL, however I can not join as an officer because of my age (I'll be 26 before I can get into Sandhurst) and so I'm considering joining as a regular, or in the RAF where i'm not too old for commission. I have a few questions that I hope you wouldn't mind answering:

1. Is there a hard cap on promotion based on experience? Having read some posts already it's quite obvious that people here don't like any sort of confidence, however I'm fairly confident that if I wouldn't pass the officer selection, then I would only narrowly miss out, so it's somewhat disheartening to know that I will never reach the same rank as those who do pass the selection, no matter how well I do and that my degree would have been worthless. Of course the army is a meritocracy, but the website says that you'll reach Corporal after 6-8 years (assuming I don't **** up) but can you do it quicker? It seems a little crazy that one or two good days at selection will mean the difference between a Lance Corporal (after graduation) and a Second Lieutenant, without any chance to redeem yourself.

2. I've heard that OPMI's have a lot of front line action; is this true? I understand that everybody is a soldier first and that everybody is at risk, but i'd rather not be out on the front line. I had thought previously that I could have an intelligence role back at base processing information, but a few talks with the advisers now has me under the impression that i'm going to be fired at daily. I'm sure it's laughable to many of you that I want to avoid action, but an IED has reduced a family friend to a very bad condition (one of the worst in the war, i'm told) and so both my family and I are a little concerned. If there is a lot of front line I may be best in the RAF.

3. If I went in as a MIL then am I realistically just looking at Farsi, Pashto & Dari? I'd like to do something that I can use in civilian life, so languages such as Mandarin, Russian or Arabic would be more useful later.

4. Are Ex-Int's valuable in the civilian world? I imagine that some would go on to work for MI5, SIS and GCHQ, but what about the others? I don't want to be coming back to a Tesco or a language teacher role.

5. Can I represent the army in multiple sports or is there a limit? I mean it is paid time off work.

Thank you for any sensible replies I get.
 
#2
You are CR and I claim my tenner. If you are for real, read the stickies and if you think the RAF are immune to IEDs then try looking up the name Ant Downing.

Sorry, must stop before I descend into Arrsian (SLP 4444) and tell you to **** off

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#3
<proword nowah>

Bearing in mind that I left 13 years ago and am accordingly both old and out of touch, herewith some thoughts:

1. Don't conflate commissioning with promotion in the ranks. Generally, folk go to Sandhurst in order to become officers, who in the British tradition are generalists who command troops. Direct Entry officers in the Corps do some int work, but essentially their job is to command the specialists who do the detailed, interesting stuff.

Folk who join the Corps in the ranks join in order to become intelligence professionals, an honourable trade which, given a full career, has a better than average chance of late entry commissioning, which is a way of achieving the Officers' Mess, while still remaining an intelligence professional. Promotion in the ranks is pretty much meritocratic, "merit tempered by experience", but in order to have credibility as, say, a senior NCO, you do need brown knees.

2. We'll be out of Afghanistan by 2014, don't worry about it. There are Op(MI) on foot patrols at the moment, just as there are Op(MI) in all sorts of roles in all sorts of places. Stand by for some mockery and bad feeling if you're too obviously seen as being gun shy, mind.

3. The languages on offer will depend on the strategic appreciation of those who set policy. Your list isn't exhaustive and I'd be surprised if the Army didn't keep a weather eye on, say, Arabic, Swahili or Russian going forwards.

4. Yes, they are. Generally, few end up with the Agencies, who tend to try to recruit from a younger, less cynical cohort of candidates, but pretty much everyone I know who's late Corps has landed on his or her feet and is generally earning a multiple of the national average wage.

5. Dunno. If you want to do sports as a semi-full-time activity, arguably you'd be better off not looking at the Corps.
 
#4
Nice photo, Is that were your political views stem from?
As for the Army or RAF that's up to you, have been to an ACIO to talk it through yet?
As for what you do when you leave that really depends on what your qualified to do etc?
But to become a spook normally a good degree & languages help these days.
 
#6
You are CR and I claim my tenner. If you are for real, read the stickies and if you think the RAF are immune to IEDs then try looking up the name Ant Downing.

Sorry, must stop before I descend into Arrsian (SLP 4444) and tell you to **** off

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Thank you for your insightful post. I suppose I missed the part where I said that RAF are immune to IED's. Everybody has a chance of, say, a road accident, but those who use public transport are less likely to have one than a motorbike user. There are precautions you can take. As somebody who doesn't want to get shot then you could say it's very logical of me to consider a role that doesn't put me in the firing line

This is the kind of pessimistic asshole response that I was expecting.

Thank you for the other responses; i'll respond when I come back from the gym.
 
#7
I do everything I can to avoid going anywhere near things that go bang, no-one says anything to me because they're all still Int Corps REMFs, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. However, on a more serious note, whilst some Int Corps roles will see you on patrols, you're not an infanteer so the need for you to do so is not as frequent.
 
#8
Dont assume being a crab means you wont be shot at. When i was on Herrick plenty of my crab oppos were working outside the wire. Several were killed by idf on telic.
Also, as an officer, never forget your role is to be able to lead in adversity. As a Part time matelot, i didnt expect to be vehicle commander in 'interesting places'. If you have an issue with being shot, i seriously suggest trying the police/hmrc or private firms instead.
 
#9
teddy out of pram time!
you wanted "help" you got it!
what will you be like "if" you join and someone senior upsets you by saying nasty words to you?
grow up!
 
#12
Thank you for your insightful post. I suppose I missed the part where I said that RAF are immune to IED's. Everybody has a chance of, say, a road accident, but those who use public transport are less likely to have one than a motorbike user. There are precautions you can take. As somebody who doesn't want to get shot then you could say it's very logical of me to consider a role that doesn't put me in the firing line

This is the kind of pessimistic asshole response that I was expecting.

Thank you for the other responses; i'll respond when I come back from the gym.
My problem with your post was that the info you seek is already on arrse, you just need to look for it. Your comments on avoiding combat situations were purile and your (perhaps inadvertent) speculation that RAF personnel might follow their chosen career believing it a safe option annoyed me intensely. Ant Downing was an RAF officer who deliberately followed a path knowing it might put him in danger. He was also a bloody good chap.

Good luck in the Int Corps, if you make it.

I'm off this thread, have fun kids

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#14
1. Don't conflate commissioning with promotion in the ranks. Generally, folk go to Sandhurst in order to become officers, who in the British tradition are generalists who command troops. Direct Entry officers in the Corps do some int work, but essentially their job is to command the specialists who do the detailed, interesting stuff.
I hadn't thought of it that way; thanks for the reply. To be honest i'd rather be a generalist, not just because of its rank and pay. I'm certainly not writing off being a regular though.

Folk who join the Corps in the ranks join in order to become intelligence professionals, an honourable trade which, given a full career, has a better than average chance of late entry commissioning, which is a way of achieving the Officers' Mess, while still remaining an intelligence professional. Promotion in the ranks is pretty much meritocratic, "merit tempered by experience", but in order to have credibility as, say, a senior NCO, you do need brown knees.
It certainly is good to know that there is a late entry, but I assume i'd have to be in the forces for a very long time? How common are they?

2. We'll be out of Afghanistan by 2014, don't worry about it. There are Op(MI) on foot patrols at the moment, just as there are Op(MI) in all sorts of roles in all sorts of places. Stand by for some mockery and bad feeling if you're too obviously seen as being gun shy, mind.
Well there are two reasons I don't particularly want to be in the line of fire:
1. Although I respect the people who have given their lives, I don't really agree with this war. If somebody declared on us I'd feel a need to give my life for the cause, but not for oil. I'm not looking for a debate here.
2. I have no massive problem with fighting people or risking my life, but what I don't like about guns and bombs is that at any point I could get hit, by even a 12 year old. I've seen what bombs can do and it bugs me that you can be the most talented soldier there is, but if somebody decides to shoot you randomly from a distance then it could all be over and there's nothing I can do about it.

3. The languages on offer will depend on the strategic appreciation of those who set policy. Your list isn't exhaustive and I'd be surprised if the Army didn't keep a weather eye on, say, Arabic, Swahili or Russian going forwards.
I'd be surprised too, especially considering that we've never really had good relations with Russia, but from speaking to people at the careers centre it seemed as though the only languages available were for countries we're directly at war with now, which isn't beneficial for the future.

4. Yes, they are. Generally, few end up with the Agencies, who tend to try to recruit from a younger, less cynical cohort of candidates, but pretty much everyone I know who's late Corps has landed on his or her feet and is generally earning a multiple of the national average wage.
Well this is reassuring. I had read elsewhere on this forum that your skills will be pointless because nobody needs them in the civilian world, but I wanted second opinions.


Thanks for the constructive post. I know many others here like to try and bully the noobs.
 
#15
Nice photo, Is that were your political views stem from?
As for the Army or RAF that's up to you, have been to an ACIO to talk it through yet?
As for what you do when you leave that really depends on what your qualified to do etc?
But to become a spook normally a good degree & languages help these days.
Well I needed a military avatar and I enjoy looking at his chubby face.

I've had no real sit-downs yet. I'm just trying to find information from the forums and asking odd questions at the careers centre, but i'm having trouble understanding half of what's said on these forums because it's all Army parlance, which means nothing to an outsider.

Now that i've finished uni I'd like to get cracking on languages. I'm hoping I can do well in my job and get noticed.
 
#16
I do everything I can to avoid going anywhere near things that go bang, no-one says anything to me because they're all still Int Corps REMFs, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. However, on a more serious note, whilst some Int Corps roles will see you on patrols, you're not an infanteer so the need for you to do so is not as frequent.
I don't know what REMF's are, but thanks; this is helpful to know that some people are getting away with hiding out on base.

Dont assume being a crab means you wont be shot at. When i was on Herrick plenty of my crab oppos were working outside the wire. Several were killed by idf on telic.
Also, as an officer, never forget your role is to be able to lead in adversity. As a Part time matelot, i didnt expect to be vehicle commander in 'interesting places'. If you have an issue with being shot, i seriously suggest trying the police/hmrc or private firms instead.
If I ever end up in charge of people i'd certainly take it seriously, for both their health and for my own sanity. People's safety would always be my number 1 concern. Also I've talked about wanting to avoid action, but I want to make it clear that if a situation ever arises and I need to step up to the mark, i'm confident that I will. I can't say 100% that I will, because i've never been in that situation, but my previous life events gives me confidence that I would step up to the mark. I want to be able to trust the man either side of me and know that he'll risk his life to protect mine, so it's only right that I do the same.

teddy out of pram time!
you wanted "help" you got it!
what will you be like "if" you join and someone senior upsets you by saying nasty words to you?
grow up!
My experience of this forum as an outsider is that people will take any chance they can to be a dick towards you. I knew that making this thread I would get some hate back and so i'm only arguing my point. I think if anything it shows that I probably can take shit in the army and i'm not going to go back to my dorm and cry because the big bad boys want to make an example of me. I asked for help nicely and instead of a welcome that guy started telling me to **** off, so i'd say that it's only normal that I defend myself.
 
#17
The Friendly Bomb.

We meet again.

RLC turn you down?
I've no idea what you're talking about.

My problem with your post was that the info you seek is already on arrse, you just need to look for it. Your comments on avoiding combat situations were purile and your (perhaps inadvertent) speculation that RAF personnel might follow their chosen career believing it a safe option annoyed me intensely. Ant Downing was an RAF officer who deliberately followed a path knowing it might put him in danger. He was also a bloody good chap.

Good luck in the Int Corps, if you make it.

I'm off this thread, have fun kids

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I have already spent a number of hours browsing threads on this forum and it hasn't answered all of my questions. As I mentioned before, half of the posts I don't understand because of Army slang and the other half consists of people insulting eachother and discussing lightsiders and darksiders, which for a noob can get annoying.
I wouldn't say that the issue of being in the line of fire is a childish one. Would you rather I wait until after training and find the answer for myself, or would it be wiser to ask experienced soldiers what the deal is? At no point have I insulted anybody who risks their lives.

I didn't speculate that RAF personnel choose their careers out of safety; in fact you speculated that I did. According to the death toll only about 20 are RAF, so by numbers alone it's clear that you're less likely to face danger in the RAF. Just because I would choose the RAF for safety does not mean that I assume everybody else has done the same.
As for Ant Downing, I certainly don't doubt what you are saying and i'm sorry for your loss. I meant no disrespect, but please don't assume my meanings.
 
#18
1. Although I respect the people who have given their lives, I don't really agree with this war. If somebody declared on us I'd feel a need to give my life for the cause, but not for oil. I'm not looking for a debate here.
I'm not going to give you a debate. If I were you, though, I'd very seriously consider whether I were suited to the life of a professional soldier.
 
#19
I'm in the Corps so if you join you could be lucky enough to work with me. You come across on your posts like a huge tool, so I'm not exactly looking forward to the opportunity to serve with you. Unless its all part of your online persona. Or a Wah.
 

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