I have seen the 2012 future and it is sh1t

Discussion in 'Shooting, Hunting and Fishing' started by Blogg, May 26, 2010.

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  1. Firearms laws could cause chaos at 2012 Olympics

    London 2012's shooting event is heading for chaos because of Britain's draconian firearms legislation for athletes from European countries. Some European teams have been unable to compete at a clay pigeon World Cup event in Dorset this week after failing to lodge original certificates of firearms permits with UK police long in advance.

    Without having that paperwork in their possession several athletes would be in breach of their national laws to hold their firearms at home. They have also been unable to travel after they waited four to six weeks for the documentation to be handled. Indeed, in order to guarantee German athletes' participation, that nation's administrator was flown in to the UK by tournament officials – at a cost of £1,500 to the event – with a sheaf of athletes' documentation for on-the-spot processing by police.

    Perversely the law states that competitors from non-European Union nations need send only a copy of their certificates and, in cases where no official national registration system exists, a letter of permission from police departments suffices.

    The event organiser, Peter Underhill, who is also manager of the shooting tournament at the London Olympics, told Digger: "This situation has arisen with only 350 competitors. It would take the Metropolitan Police a year to process the 2,000 people at the Olympics. We want the Home Office to relax arrangements, to tie in an athlete's visitor's firearm permit with the accreditation so it acts as an import licence for the firearm." So far the Home Office has shown no enthusiasm for the request.

  2. If only there was a firearms certificate that covered a European citizen across the whole of Europe.

    ...oh wait a minute.
  3. Indeed. So perhaps they had better pull the finger out in relation to EU Directive 2008/51.

    You know, the one that has a deadline of 28 July 2010 for member states to put into law revisions intended to largely eliminate this kind of utter nonsense and requires that any member state should not make any fee or charge for accepting an EU Fireams Pass issued by another member state.
  4. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    I have a big headache with this.
    I move firearms between EU countries every week without a problem - the Swiss being the only ones to even check normally.
    Once a year I need to send my docs to UK for a month to get my visitors permits renewed, every firearm separately, every one charged an admin fee for - thus I am breaking the law in Europe by not being in posession of them, in France they are probably pragmatic enough to accept my scanned copy - but if I got tugged by the Hermans....? and I will not even attempt to get past the Swiss....
  5. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    Its a cunning ploy to level the amount of training available to all competitors. You will basically have no chance competing for team GB so lets ensure no other fecker has!
  6. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    I have both a German and a French EFP.
    Although the documents are different, the contents is standard - including a section for specific permissions in the back.
    Why can I not just get the UK to open authorise weapons held in the earlier section on a case by case basis with a one off stamp valid for the life of the EFP? They still have the option to say no to things they don't like....
  7. emy EFP has been stamped by Thames Valley police several times, but it is the visitor's firearms permit that they issue that is the document with the legal weight, not the EFP in the UK.

    It is ridiculous! Even the Belgians have dropped their requirement for stamping the EFP and just accept it now. The UK insists on stamping it when they issue the visitors permit yet nevertheless does not accept it...
  8. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    Done it twice now and the have not stamped my EFP......good to see they are really on the ball......
  9. Nu labour, Home Office and ACPO had their collectives heads up their arrses about this for ages, at one point even attempting a "consultation" that invited views on certain aspects of firearms legislation that were already passed into EU law.

    It is all pretty clear:

    "The Directive provides for a procedure based on the issue of a licence for definitive transfers of firearms to a Member State . The Directive also requires an authorisation for travel between Member States in possession of a firearm. However, more flexible rules are provided in respect of hunting and target shooting in order to avoid impeding the free movement of persons more than is necessary."

  10. thought the only problem the Guardian had with our draconian firearms laws were, that they were too lax...