I D Cards for civvies

#2
The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...
 
#3
Junior Home Office Minister Meg Hillier said "The ID cards are very hard to copy and are very secure, with biometric information stored on a database, This is not a database that can be downloaded onto disks,"

errr... hasnt the format/encryption been broken already?
 
#4
DeltaDog said:
The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...
A few things.

TheTories still have to win an election. It's not 'their turn' next year.

And if you really believe a bunch of troughing scumbags will do away with a national identity register, think again. They need that register to control the rest of us, and ID those who leak, expose or criticize them.

Whoever wins the next election the NIR is going to happen. They will find a way. The only thing that will stop it will be mass civil disobedience.
 
#5
walt_of_the_walts said:
DeltaDog said:
The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...
A few things.

TheTories still have to win an election. It's not 'their turn' next year.

And if you really believe a bunch of troughing scumbags will do away with a national identity register, think again. They need that register to control the rest of us, and ID those who leak, expose or criticize them.

Whoever wins the next election the NIR is going to happen. They will find a way. The only thing that will stop it will be mass civil disobedience.
And probably, within 75 years each and every person in the UK will have to have an ID chip embedded deep in their body, but the political class will ensure it and its families and friends will be allowed to disable the chip.

For everyone else, no chip = no work, no benefits, no driving licence, no TV licence, no travel, no shopping, no medical treatment, no pension, no education, no anything.

The chip will also be programmed to kill you when you reach a certain age or your body shows any signs of particular illnesses or disabilities, whichever is the sooner.

I wish I could say that I am jesting.
 
#6
Spend the money on illegal's/political assylum and human right crap first :twisted:
 
#7
Pay-per-Mile (which we all know is just a front for tracking our movements).
I.D. Cards.
Child Data bases.
Local Council to have access to do HSE checks in your house.
DNA Being held on innocent people for 6 years.
National Census to ask you about your sexuality.
Personal Carbon Credits.
Thumb print scanning at point of entry and exit from the country (ie. Booking in and out).
email, text and phone calls being recorded and kept on file.

That's just for starters and doesn't include all the minor offences that have been made punishable with a custodial sentence. Or the other 4000 new criminal laws that have been added to the ever growing list of things that gives the State even more power's over those that are unlucky enough to be born in this oppressive country that once used to be called 'Great', but these days is normally just referred to as Britain.

The population will only take so much of the State's Interference and Intrusions into their personal lives before they reach breaking point. I can see a Poll Tax situation arising soon as people are threader's, if the wearing of balaclava's in public hasn't yet been banned, I can see it happening soon.
 
#8
true
 
#9
walt_of_the_walts said:
DeltaDog said:
The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...
A few things.

TheTories still have to win an election. It's not 'their turn' next year.

And if you really believe a bunch of troughing scumbags will do away with a national identity register, think again. They need that register to control the rest of us, and ID those who leak, expose or criticize them.

Whoever wins the next election the NIR is going to happen. They will find a way. The only thing that will stop it will be mass civil disobedience.
The Tories are far from brilliant, but I don't believe their intentions are anything like as frightening as Labour's. They have pledged to scrap the NIR, citing many of the reasons I think it's a bad idea (see here).
 
#10
I would get an identity card if it didn't hold my biometric information like fingerprints, etc.

That to me might be more "secure" in the sense that it would be ALOT harder to pretend to be somebody else, but i don't like the idea of that sort of invasion of privacy.
 
#11
HoneyHeart said:
I would get an identity card if it didn't hold my biometric information like fingerprints, etc.

That to me might be more "secure" in the sense that it would be ALOT harder to pretend to be somebody else, but i don't like the idea of that sort of invasion of privacy.
It's not an identity card. The ID card is just the tip of the iceberg that is the National Identity Register. The NIR is set to become a very scary database holding intimate details of every single person in the country. Project creep says the information held will snowball until every person in the country has an in-depth intelligence file.

The day the NIR is launched is the day we become property of the state.
 
#12
DeltaDog said:
The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...
I didn't know they were Republicans - when did this appear in their manifesto?
 
#13
pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
DeltaDog said:
The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...
I didn't know they were Republicans - when did this appear in their manifesto?
It's part of a secret conspiracy involving Stephen Hawking, Pope John Paul II, the Saturn 5 Moon Rocket and a packet of gluten-free lentils.

Or perhaps I meant 'reins'...
 
#14
DeltaDog said:
pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
DeltaDog said:
The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...
I didn't know they were Republicans - when did this appear in their manifesto?
It's part of a secret conspiracy involving Stephen Hawking, Pope John Paul II, the Saturn 5 Moon Rocket and a packet of gluten-free lentils.

Or perhaps I meant 'reins'...
That's all right then.
 
#15
DeltaDog said:
The Tories are far from brilliant, but I don't believe their intentions are anything like as frightening as Labour's. They have pledged to scrap the NIR, citing many of the reasons I think it's a bad idea (see here).
Is that anything like Dave's cast-iron guarantee about a referendum on Lisbon?

they are politocos... snakes, not even blessed with t!ts!
 
#16
DeltaDog said:
walt_of_the_walts said:
DeltaDog said:
The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...
A few things.

TheTories still have to win an election. It's not 'their turn' next year.

And if you really believe a bunch of troughing scumbags will do away with a national identity register, think again. They need that register to control the rest of us, and ID those who leak, expose or criticize them.

Whoever wins the next election the NIR is going to happen. They will find a way. The only thing that will stop it will be mass civil disobedience.
The Tories are far from brilliant, but I don't believe their intentions are anything like as frightening as Labour's. They have pledged to scrap the NIR, citing many of the reasons I think it's a bad idea (see here).
The Tories can say what they like in Opposition, but they will likely change their tune when in office. Especially when 'Call me Dave' has a 'tete a tete' with the permanent secretary from MI6/SIS and is told to do whats good for him if he want's to keep any salacious stories about himself or other members his party out of the press. Also there is the small matter of party funding and lobbying from the IT industry who would love to be part of the (un)competitive tendering process.

The NIR is like a nuclear arms race. Because we can do it, we do it. Morally, it might be wrong, and ridiculously expensive, strategically inneffective but pragmatically, it makes sense and is therefore inevitable.

They may not even issue ID cards at first, because there is no need, but a National register linking bits from existing systems (DVLA, PNC, HMRC, banks etc) could be introduced quietly. Without an actual real card to object to it's all a bit abstract and not likely to stir up much of a reaction. You would probably only get a card if you want one,(eg: in lieu of a passport) and then you would have to submit biometric data in person. They would then link it all up with what they already know about you. Job done.
 
#17
DeltaDog said:
It's not an identity card. The ID card is just the tip of the iceberg that is the National Identity Register. The NIR is set to become a very scary database holding intimate details of every single person in the country. Project creep says the information held will snowball until every person in the country has an in-depth intelligence file.

The day the NIR is launched is the day we become property of the state.
And once it's complete, it will be worth Billions.

The personal data of everyone
Their DNA, susceptibility to disease or chronic illnesses
Your personal information from the Census
Your web browsing habits, who you email and when and who you telephone and from where.
Your overseas travel habits
When you travel to the shops and to which ones and how much you spend.


Put all the pieces of the Jigsaw puzzle together and you have a very, very powerful tool. What makes it even more scarier is that they want to make it European wide database with tinpot local authority workers in countless Flip-Flop nations having access to all that information at the click of a mouse. But Hey, it's all in the name of Counter Terrorism, defeating Benefit Fraud and controlling Immigration.

I wonder what excuses this lot gave when they started their reigns of State Control...?

Nickolai Caucescau
Saddam Hussein
Idi Amin
Pol Pot
Robert Mugabe
Kin Jong-II
Than Shwe
Isayas Afewerki
 
#19
MrPVRd said:
I won't be having one. Don't care if it is illegal not to. If 100,000 say "no" then the system collapses.
Same here.
I took the time to write to the Home Secretary to tell him so a couple of years back.
I was even polite (mostly).
 
#20
Oddbod said:
MrPVRd said:
I won't be having one. Don't care if it is illegal not to. If 100,000 say "no" then the system collapses.
Same here.
I took the time to write to the Home Secretary to tell him so a couple of years back.
I was even polite (mostly).
Well at least he knows where you live.
 
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