"Hythe" sight for the SLR?

#1
This should probably be in Weapons Equipment and Rations but I know the quality of posters in this forum.

The Hythe sight; I do not recall ever seeing one in my time frame 66-74, can anybody tell me the scale of issue and who had them?

Also, were they any good?
 
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swampmonster

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#2
I had to look this up....... Up to you mentioned it I had no idea it was even call this.. We still had the SLR when i joined the TA in 1989, they seemed to be kicking about and were rather good, mind you we also had the SUIT sight for the RECCE platoon, and the huge IWS with its high pitch whine that you could hear for miles...

SAF Lithgow - Product Detail - Rear sight assy (Hythe)
 

jim24

LE
Book Reviewer
#3
The Hythe sight was, If I remember correctly, the standard ramp sight on the SLR ranged up to 800 mtrs
 
#4
So long ago now. Wasn't one leaf for targets up to 300 mtrs and the other one for targets up to 600 mtrs?
 
#5
So long ago now. Wasn't one leaf for targets up to 300 mtrs and the other one for targets up to 600 mtrs?

Or low light level ?
Something brings this to mind.


Edited to add; the rearmost of the two sights had a larger aperture, for low light , in good light you used both leafs up.
Does this sound right ?
 
#6
The Hythe sight had 2 leaves instead of one as the standard rear sight had. I dont know any thing about the scale of issue in the Britiash army- I was in regs from 76 to 82 and TA from 85 to 96- but I do remember seeing them but only rarely.

To be honest SAF Lithgow is a bit expensive if you are looking to buy SLR parts- your best bet is the FN forum site. You can get both FN FAL metric parts and FN SLR/inch parts there. Numrich is quite good as well. That said Hythe sites are quite expensive compared to a bog standard rear ramp site.
 
#7
The Hythe sight was, If I remember correctly, the standard ramp sight on the SLR ranged up to 800 mtrs

The standard ramp sight was only one leaf, I think the Hythe Sight had two leafs, as my post above.
 
#8
The Hythe Sight was meant to be used with the Trilux (not sure if thats the correct word for it) glow in the dark foresight. I saw a few Trilux foresights, mainly in NI, and a fair few Double leaf rearsights. The double leaf rearsights were popular with Battalion shooting teams as the sight aperture was was smaller and more accurate.
 
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Mark The Convict

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#9
As above; we had this type briefly, and I found the 'day' leaf to be much better than the standard issue. It was withdrawn from service when it proved that the heat buildup from rapid fire tended to burst the tritium vial inside the foresight! A shame, as it was a good, versatile sight, and just as easy to use as the standard one.

Edit; ISTR that the foresight had two tiny holes through its shaft; one at the top of the sight post (at the point where the thread stops), and another a couple of mm further down. Obviously this meant that you saw at least one tiny glowing dot at night, but I can't remember how one was supposed to use it in relation to the 'night' leaf though (it was about 25 yrs ago!)
 

jim24

LE
Book Reviewer
#10
I do remember getting myself in the crap when I slid a privately purchased "Single point " sight onto my SLR in 76, but the Army did eventually buy it off me
 
#11
We were informed that the larger aperture was a battle sight for quick aiming and the smaller one was for deliberate aiming.
 

Alsacien

MIA
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#12
Being a competition shooter I always had this sight, at the time it was referred to as twin leaf or twin aperture, never heard the name Hythe at the time.
The larger aperture was for low light and ideally with the tritium foresight.
The second aperture was smaller than the standard and offered more precision over the standard aperture.
 
#14
The Hythe night sight had two parts, the rear sight which was two interleaved apertures as described above, and a foresight which contained a trilux lamp and when rotated through 90 degrees (so it was broadside on) showed two little green dots The third (virtual) dot was your point of aim.

It sort of worked in the dark and I suppose it was a (very) minor improvement in the dark but the narrow aperture was sometimes useful (but not anywhere as good as a proper Parker Hale sight on a No 4 Which had a variable aperture

In my day it was usually used by competition shooters who made use of the narrow aperture on good range days
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
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#15
never saw the foresight but the rear unit ended up in the pockets of the shooting team usually, for night use it was a white line over the furniture or a dab of cylume fluid on the tip
 
#16
We were informed that the larger aperture was a battle sight for quick aiming and the smaller one was for deliberate aiming.
The larger aperture was for use with the trilux foresight at night. The trilux foresight had to be turned 90* for use at night.
 
#17
Guys, thanks for the imput!
I intend to do a project with my L39 with regards to a different rear sight and thought the old SLR sight might give me slightly better target acquisition.
To make it fit I have found somebody who will make me a short picatinny rail that will replace the No.4 MkI leaf sight when folded down.
Pictures to follow, assuming the whole thing isn't one big fcuking disaster!
 
#18
Guys, thanks for the imput!
I intend to do a project with my L39 with regards to a different rear sight and thought the old SLR sight might give me slightly better target acquisition.
To make it fit I have found somebody who will make me a short picatinny rail that will replace the No.4 MkI leaf sight when folded down.
Pictures to follow, assuming the whole thing isn't one big fcuking disaster!
Are you removing the rearsight?I dont wish to put you off but, i think you may find it difficult to retain the use of the leaf rearsight and have a securely mounted pickatinny rail. All of the sight rails ive seen and used utilise the axis holes for the backsight as a secureing point. The charger guide /bridge is the other fixing point. there are a number of rails types available (ebay) and or other sites.I would think the cost of makeing a rail would be quite high, possibly you could modify a production rail. Dont ruin the L39 by drilling the receiver or any other part of it.
If you want better target aquisition you need to increase the size of the aperture of the rearsight consquently the accuracy falls in proportion to increased aperture size
 
#19
Guys, thanks for the imput!
I intend to do a project with my L39 with regards to a different rear sight and thought the old SLR sight might give me slightly better target acquisition.
To make it fit I have found somebody who will make me a short picatinny rail that will replace the No.4 MkI leaf sight when folded down.
Pictures to follow, assuming the whole thing isn't one big fcuking disaster!

I really don't get what you're trying to do. The L39 of course can be fitted with any of the common target sights for a fully-customisable sight picture (filters, apertures, lenses, etc). If you're after iron sights, then the standard Mk1 rearsight is hard to beat. If you really need some sort of adjustable aperture and can't afford/don't want to use a PH 8/53 add-on for the Mk1 sight, then an easy mod is simply to drill out the aperture on the Mk1 sight and tap it so that a standard PH target eyepiece can be used.

8/53:




If you're after a simple SLR-style flip balde, then by far the easiest route would be to use a PH BA21 rear scope base. These are, of course, just a "blank" Mk1 reasight, and use the same spring and plunger to flip up or down. You can simply use the blank plate and drill your aperture at your desired height. BA 21s already come with a No4 battlesight set to about 400.

 
#20
4(T), I wondered how long it would take you!

Thames Valley Guns make (or can get made) a short rail to take things like single point or short 4x optics leaving space to fill the magazine from the top if necessary.
I'm at work this morning and can't get onto their website to post a picture of the said item.
I was thinking of the open class in the Enfield Challenge??
 

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